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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The New York Times - By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin's latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its
precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: "Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World."

The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining
stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world's largest uranium producers and brought
Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a
woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors
of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company
that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium
production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal
had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that
eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of
cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35
million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White
House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

Frank Giustra, right, a mining financier, has donated $31.3 million to the foundation run by former President Bill Clinton, left.

At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company's
assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

The New York Times' examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and
securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were
unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book "Clinton Cash."
Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own
reporting.

Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical
challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million
in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to
benefit the foundation's donors.

In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, said no one "has ever produced a shred of evidence
supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton
Foundation." He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that,
in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. "To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton,
exerted undue influence in the U.S. government's review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless," he added.

American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In
the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding
concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like
Russia's, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs.
Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state.

Either way, the Uranium One deal highlights the limits of such prohibitions. The foundation will continue to accept contributions from
foreign sources whose interests, like Uranium One's, may overlap with those of foreign governments, some of which may be at odds with the
United States.

When the Uranium One deal was approved, the geopolitical backdrop was far different from today's. The Obama administration was seeking to
"reset" strained relations with Russia. The deal was strategically important to Mr. Putin, who shortly after the Americans gave their
blessing sat down for a staged interview with Rosatom's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko. "Few could have imagined in the past that we
would own 20 percent of U.S. reserves," Mr. Kiriyenko told Mr. Putin.

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover

Uranium investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's office was involved in
approving a Russian bid for mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States.

Now, after Russia's annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, the Moscow-Washington relationship is devolving toward Cold War levels,
a point several experts made in evaluating a deal so beneficial to Mr. Putin, a man known to use energy resources to project power around
the world.

"Should we be concerned? Absolutely," said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he
had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. "Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don't. We don't
want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate."

A Seat at the Table

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank
Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra's private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan
A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head an
international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights record by,
among others, his wife, then a senator.

Within days of the visit, Mr. Giustra's fledgling company, UrAsia Energy Ltd., signed a preliminary deal giving it stakes in three uranium
mines controlled by the state-run uranium agency Kazatomprom.

If the Kazakh deal was a major victory, UrAsia did not wait long before resuming the hunt. In 2007, it merged with Uranium One, a South
African company with assets in Africa and Australia, in what was described as a $3.5 billion transaction. The new company, which kept the
Uranium One name, was controlled by UrAsia investors including Ian Telfer, a Canadian who became chairman. Through a spokeswoman, Mr.
Giustra, whose personal stake in the deal was estimated at about $45 million, said he sold his stake in 2007.

Soon, Uranium One began to snap up companies with assets in the United States. In April 2007, it announced the purchase of a uranium mill
in Utah and more than 38,000 acres of uranium exploration properties in four Western states, followed quickly by the acquisition of the
Energy Metals Corporation and its uranium holdings in Wyoming, Texas and Utah. That deal made clear that Uranium One was intent on becoming
"a powerhouse in the United States uranium sector with the potential to become the domestic supplier of choice for U.S. utilities," the
company declared.

Ian Telfer was chairman of Uranium One and made large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Still, the company's story was hardly front-page news in the United States - until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton's failed
presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip's link to Mr. Giustra's Kazakhstan mining deal. It also
reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton's foundation.

(In a statement issued after this article appeared online, Mr. Giustra said he was "extremely proud" of his charitable work with Mr.
Clinton, and he urged the media to focus on poverty, health care and "the real challenges of the world.")

Though the 2008 article quoted the former head of Kazatomprom, Moukhtar Dzhakishev, as saying that the deal required government approval
and was discussed at a dinner with the president, Mr. Giustra insisted that it was a private transaction, with no need for Mr. Clinton's
influence with Kazakh officials. He described his relationship with Mr. Clinton as motivated solely by a shared interest in philanthropy.

As if to underscore the point, five months later Mr. Giustra held a fund-raiser for the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a
project aimed at fostering progressive environmental and labor practices in the natural resources industry, to which he had pledged $100
million. The star-studded gala, at a conference center in Toronto, featured performances by Elton John and Shakira and celebrities like Tom
Cruise, John Travolta and Robin Williams encouraging contributions from the many so-called F.O.F.s - Friends of Frank - in attendance,
among them Mr. Telfer. In all, the evening generated $16 million in pledges, according to an article in The Globe and Mail.

"None of this would have been possible if Frank Giustra didn't have a remarkable combination of caring and modesty, of vision and energy
and iron determination," Mr. Clinton told those gathered, adding: "I love this guy, and you should, too."

But what had been a string of successes was about to hit a speed bump.

Arrest and Progress

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One's stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr.
Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies,
including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra's UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One.

Publicly, the company tried to reassure shareholders. Its chief executive, Jean Nortier, issued a confident statement calling the situation
a "complete misunderstanding." He also contradicted Mr. Giustra's contention that the uranium deal had not required government blessing.
"When you do a transaction in Kazakhstan, you need the government's approval," he said, adding that UrAsia had indeed received that
approval.

Bill Clinton met with Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow in 2010.

But privately, Uranium One officials were worried they could lose their joint mining ventures. American diplomatic cables made public by
WikiLeaks also reflect concerns that Mr. Dzhakishev's arrest was part of a Russian power play for control of Kazakh uranium assets.

At the time, Russia was already eying a stake in Uranium One, Rosatom company documents show. Rosatom officials say they were seeking to
acquire mines around the world because Russia lacks sufficient domestic reserves to meet its own industry needs.

It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian
diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.

"We want more than a statement to the press," Paul Clarke, a Uranium One executive vice president, told the embassy's energy officer on
June 10, the officer reported in a cable. "That is simply chitchat." What the company needed, Mr. Clarke said, was official written
confirmation that the licenses were valid.

The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton. Though the Clarke cable was copied to her, it was given
wide circulation, and it is unclear if she would have read it; the Clinton campaign did not address questions about the cable.

What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on
June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian
government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake. But
first, Uranium One had to get the American government to sign off on the deal.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer

$2.35 million

Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds

$1 million to $5 million

Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes

$250,000 to $500,000

Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer

$50,000 to $100,000

Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd.

Donating portion of profits

Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

The Power to Say No

When a company controlled by the Chinese government sought a 51 percent stake in a tiny Nevada gold mining operation in 2009, it set off a
secretive review process in Washington, where officials raised concerns primarily about the mine's proximity to a military installation,
but also about the potential for minerals at the site, including uranium, to come under Chinese control. The officials killed the deal.

Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of
the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the
secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed
important to national security.

The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and
Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American
nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.

Instead, it concerned American dependence on foreign uranium sources. While the United States gets one-fifth of its electrical power from
nuclear plants, it produces only around 20 percent of the uranium it needs, and most plants have only 18 to 36 months of reserves,
according to Marin Katusa, author of "The Colder War: How the Global Energy Trade Slipped From America's Grasp."

"The Russians are easily winning the uranium war, and nobody's talking about it," said Mr. Katusa, who explores the implications of the
Uranium One deal in his book. "It's not just a domestic issue but a foreign policy issue, too."

When ARMZ, an arm of Rosatom, took its first 17 percent stake in Uranium One in 2009, the two parties signed an agreement, found in
securities filings, to seek the foreign investment committee's review. But it was the 2010 deal, giving the Russians a controlling 51
percent stake, that set off alarm bells. Four members of the House of Representatives signed a letter expressing concern. Two more began
pushing legislation to kill the deal.

Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming, where Uranium One's largest American operation was, wrote to President Obama, saying the
deal "would give the Russian government control over a sizable portion of America's uranium production capacity."

President Putin during a meeting with Rosatomandrsquo's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko, in December 2007.

"Equally alarming," Mr. Barrasso added, "this sale gives ARMZ a significant stake in uranium mines in Kazakhstan."

Uranium One's shareholders were also alarmed, and were "afraid of Rosatom as a Russian state giant," Sergei Novikov, a company spokesman,
recalled in an interview. He said Rosatom's chief, Mr. Kiriyenko, sought to reassure Uranium One investors, promising that Rosatom would
not break up the company and would keep the same management, including Mr. Telfer, the chairman. Another Rosatom official said publicly
that it did not intend to increase its investment beyond 51 percent, and that it envisioned keeping Uranium One a public company

American nuclear officials, too, seemed eager to assuage fears. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission wrote to Mr. Barrasso assuring him that
American uranium would be preserved for domestic use, regardless of who owned it.

"In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license
authorizing the export of uranium for use as reactor fuel," the letter said.

Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment
committee, including Mrs. Clinton - whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

Undisclosed Donations

Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding
placing limits on the activities of her husband's foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign
government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

To judge from those disclosures - which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts - the only Uranium One official to
give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in
2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

Uranium Oneandrsquo's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.

Uranium One's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.Credit... Doug
Mills/The New York Times

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions
of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With
the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy
to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and
$500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium
One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra's charitable endeavors with Mr.
Clinton. "Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years," he said.

The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a
response.

Mr. Telfer's undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a
constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One's most valuable asset: the
Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: "It wasn't the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The
goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good," Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.

Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its
deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee - among Mr. Clinton's highest - was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that
has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

Renaissance Capital analysts talked up Uranium One's stock, assigning it a "buy" rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it
was "the best play" in the uranium markets. In addition, Renaissance Capital turned up that same year as a major donor, along with Mr.
Giustra and several companies linked to Uranium One or UrAsia, to a small medical charity in Colorado run by a friend of Mr. Giustra's. In
a newsletter to supporters, the friend credited Mr. Giustra with helping get donations from "businesses around the world."

John Christensen sold the mining rights on his ranch in Wyoming to Uranium One.

Renaissance Capital would not comment on the genesis of Mr. Clinton's speech to an audience that included leading Russian officials, or on
whether it was connected to the Rosatom deal. According to a Russian government news service, Mr. Putin personally thanked Mr. Clinton for
speaking.

A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation's fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that
for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: "Why do you think they are doing it - because they love them?" But
whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the
United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.

Diplomatic Considerations

If doing business with Rosatom was good for those in the Uranium One deal, engaging with Russia was also a priority of the incoming Obama
administration, which was hoping for a new era of cooperation as Mr. Putin relinquished the presidency - if only for a term - to Dmitri A.
Medvedev.

"The assumption was we could engage Russia to further core U.S. national security interests," said Mr. McFaul, the former ambassador.

It started out well. The two countries made progress on nuclear proliferation issues, and expanded use of Russian territory to resupply
American forces in Afghanistan. Keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon was among the United States' top priorities, and in June 2010
Russia signed off on a United Nations resolution imposing tough new sanctions on that country.

Two months later, the deal giving ARMZ a controlling stake in Uranium One was submitted to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
United States for review. Because of the secrecy surrounding the process, it is hard to know whether the participants weighed the desire to
improve bilateral relations against the potential risks of allowing the Russian government control over the biggest uranium producer in the
United States. The deal was ultimately approved in October, following what two people involved in securing the approval said had been a
relatively smooth process.

Not all of the committee's decisions are personally debated by the agency heads themselves; in less controversial cases, deputy or
assistant secretaries may sign off. But experts and former committee members say Russia's interest in Uranium One and its American uranium
reserves seemed to warrant attention at the highest levels.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

"This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important," said Richard Russell, who
served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. "When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this
to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three."

And Mrs. Clinton brought a reputation for hawkishness to the process; as a senator, she was a vocal critic of the committee's approval of a
deal that would have transferred the management of major American seaports to a company based in the United Arab Emirates, and as a
presidential candidate she had advocated legislation to strengthen the process.

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary's level. He would not comment
on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to
the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez
said, "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."

Mr. Fallon also noted that if any agency had raised national security concerns about the Uranium One deal, it could have taken them
directly to the president.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department's director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction - or the
extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in
hindsight.

"Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly," she said. "But it wasn't the adversary it is today."

That renewed adversarial relationship has raised concerns about European dependency on Russian energy resources, including nuclear fuel.
The unease reaches beyond diplomatic circles. In Wyoming, where Uranium One equipment is scattered across his 35,000-acre ranch, John
Christensen is frustrated that repeated changes in corporate ownership over the years led to French, South African, Canadian and, finally,
Russian control over mining rights on his property.

"I hate to see a foreign government own mining rights here in the United States," he said. "I don't think that should happen."

Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without
Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license - which they do not have - yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and
trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an
export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that
"to the best of our knowledge" most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One
spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn,
nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.

The "no export" assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite
pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom's subsidiary,
ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
Alan
2024-10-26 23:08:32 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.

Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
Skeeter
2024-10-27 01:20:49 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
Alan
2024-10-27 01:53:23 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
You're making the claims:

YOU get to support them.
AlleyCat
2024-10-27 04:02:00 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just can't accept it that other people are right about something you're not.

We ALL know you look this shit up, and when you find out it's true, you start trying to get us to do shit for you, because your self-esteem
is so low, you NEED to feel like you're in control of others to make you feel you're in control, at all.

Whatever's happened in your life to be like this, you need to resolve it... somewhere else.

We've all lost people in our lives, but we all don't come into Usenet to try to make ourselves feel better about our lives.

Do that on your own time, and DISCUSS topics here, instead of trying to make yourself feel superior to others, by trying to control them,
because YOU feel like you have no control.

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"This is the most election of our lifetime."

I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. You know?

What can be unburdened by what has been.

There are those who are unable to see what can be.

But there are many more who are able to see what can be unburdened by what has been.

Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles? Right.

And then let's just see where they overlap.

You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this.

Remember those three circles, how they overlap?

I love Venn diagrams. So, I just do.

Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram. Right?

And so, you know, the three circles.

Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that's wrong.

I am Kamala Harris. My pronouns are she, her, hers. My pronouns sitting at the table wearing a blue suit.

"We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs
and desires of that community as well as the talent and capacity of community."

"We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is
economic in the way of its impact has been the pandemic. So to that end, we are announcing today also that we will assist Jamaica in COVID
recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica that have been essential to, I believe, what is necessary to strengthen
not only the issue of public health but also the economy."

"It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day."

"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues
are just settled. Certain issues are just settled."
Alan
2024-10-27 07:12:18 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:53:23 -0700, Alan says...
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says...
Post by AlleyCat
says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and
former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on
personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium
Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation
and sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before
Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a
billion raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5
houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements
you just asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and
only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look
up on youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.

Claiming proof exists is not support.
Skeeter
2024-10-27 12:07:25 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:53:23 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and
former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on
personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium
Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation
and sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before
Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a
billion raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5
houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements
you just asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and
only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look
up on youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
Alan
2024-10-27 23:04:02 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:53:23 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and
former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on
personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium
Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation
and sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before
Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a
billion raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5
houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements
you just asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and
only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look
up on youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Skeeter
2024-10-27 23:43:38 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:53:23 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and
former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on
personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation
and sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before
Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a
billion raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5
houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements
you just asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and
only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look
up on youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
I don't care. You snip to hide your butthurt. What a coward.
AlleyCat
2024-10-28 05:00:51 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Then, why do you reply to ANYONE?

Because your low-self-esteemed narcissistic behaviour won't let you do anything less.

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Alan "Low-Self-Esteem" Baler... someone who always "THINKS" he knows everything ABOUT everything and has to have the last word in ANY
conversation or argument. That's why he HAS to reply to EVERY post about him, or it drives him crazy enough to not being able to sleep.

What is Low Self-Esteem?

Low self-esteem is when someone lacks confidence about who they are and what they can do. They often feel incompetent, unloved, or
inadequate. People who struggle with low self-esteem are consistently afraid about making mistakes or letting other people down.

Having self-esteem issues can be detrimental to their health and negatively affect their personal and professional relationships. There are
many reasons why they may have low self-esteem - their genes, how and where they grew up, and other life circumstances all play a role.

A major factor of low self-esteem, however, comes from their own mental state. Their inner voice, or the thoughts in their head, can be
constantly telling them that they are not good enough or worth anything, even if there is evidence to the contrary. Negative thinking in
general is linked to low self-worth and low self-esteem.

Signs of Low Self-Esteem

There are several signs that either they or someone they know may be struggling with low self-esteem. Those signs of low self-esteem
include:

Sensitivity to Criticism

If they have low self-esteem they may be extra sensitive to criticism, whether from others or themselves. They see it only as reinforcing
their flaws and confirming that they are incapable of doing anything right.

Social Withdrawal

Declining invitations to go to a party or meet up with friends, canceling scheduled plans last-minute, and generally not wanting to be
around others are signs of low self-esteem. They may not have any desire to hold a conversation or talk about their life because it will
only reinforce the depression and anxiety they are already experiencing.

Hostility

For someone with low self-esteem, lashing out or becoming aggressive towards others is a defense mechanism. If they feel that they are
about to be exposed or criticized, attacking whoever might criticize them can be a sign of low self-esteem.

Excessive Preoccupation with Personal Problems

Consistently worrying about their own personal issues takes up a lot of time for someone with low self-esteem. They may struggle to help or
empathize with someone else's problems because they are too preoccupied with their own.

Physical Symptoms

Low self-esteem has been shown to lead to mental and physical health issues like depression, anxiety, and anorexia. It can also lead to
unhealthy habits like smoking tobacco, alcohol abuse, or drug use.

Dealing with Low Self-Esteem

They can overcome low self-esteem with the right support, mindset, and change in behaviors. Start with these steps to begin improving their
self-esteem:

Identify Troubling Conditions and Situations

Take a moment to think about certain conditions and situations in their life that seem to always deflate their self-esteem. It could be
giving a work presentation, dealing with a difficult family member or friend, or facing a life-changing event, like a job loss or a move.

Become Aware of their Thoughts and Beliefs

After they've identified the times in their life where they have felt low self-esteem, evaluate their thoughts about they. How are they
interpreting what happened? These thoughts could be either positive, negative, or neutral. They can be based on facts or irrational and
false ideas.

If they take a moment to notice what they are thinking, they can begin to understand whether or not their reactions to what has happened
are appropriate and useful.

Challenge Negative or Inaccurate Thoughts

It is important to ask themselves whether their thoughts are consistent with facts or logic. There could be another explanation for a
situation that is truer than their interpretation. Sometimes it is hard to break from long-held beliefs that have become part of their
reality. Understand that it can take time and patience to overcome any negative preconceived notions toward their life that they've built
up.

Adjust their mindset

They've been able to identify the times where they've felt a blow to their self-esteem. They've become self-aware about how and why they
have the thoughts and feelings towards those events. Now they can take a step back and analyze those thoughts and emotions. them now have
the power to change their thought patterns to raise their self-esteem.

Remember to think and feel hopeful statements, focus on the positive aspects of all situations, and not be afraid to relabel upsetting
thoughts. And most importantly, don't hesitate to forgive yourself. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. It doesn't make them a
bad person-it just makes them human.
Alan
2024-10-28 19:48:21 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:04:02 -0700, Alan says...
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Post by Skeeter
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Then, why do you reply to ANYONE?
Because it's fun!
Alan
2024-10-28 21:21:14 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Then, why do you reply to ANYONE?
Because it's fun!
No life huh?
Plenty of life... ...I just like to argue and prefer to do it with
people I don't care about!
Skeeter
2024-10-28 21:58:06 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Then, why do you reply to ANYONE?
Because it's fun!
No life huh?
Plenty of life... ...I just like to argue and prefer to do it with
people I don't care about!
So not only do you have no life, no job, you also like to lose at
arguing.
Alan
2024-10-28 22:01:23 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:04:02 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Then, why do you reply to ANYONE?
Because it's fun!
No life huh?
Plenty of life... ...I just like to argue and prefer to do it with
people I don't care about!
So not only do you have no life, no job, you also like to lose at
arguing.
And yet, I always win against you!

:-)
Skeeter
2024-10-28 22:13:04 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:04:02 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
You snipped where he put you in your place. That's why I don't take you
serious anymore.
I've never taken you seriously.
Then, why do you reply to ANYONE?
Because it's fun!
No life huh?
Plenty of life... ...I just like to argue and prefer to do it with
people I don't care about!
So not only do you have no life, no job, you also like to lose at
arguing.
And yet, I always win against you!
:-)
Really? What did you win? Is it like a woke participation award?
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 02:52:54 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
So not only do you have no life, no job, you also like to lose at
arguing.
And yet, I always win against you!
:-)
Really? What did you win? Is it like a woke participation award?
ONLY in his mind.

Nerds and narcissists are only here to "win", because they have something in their craw, and their trying so hard to exorcise it, that they
look really stupid trying.

His parents probably said something to him, to the effect of: we wish it was you, instead of your brother.

This is Alan, Alan's father and Rudy:

https://i.imgur.com/tSaSe8Y.mp4

Hey... it's not mean, if it's payback. ;-)
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 02:36:52 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
So not only do you have no life, no job, you also like to lose at
arguing.
And yet, I always win against you!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nerds and their "winning".

Oh... Ski Bunny... you NEVER win, but here... this is for you... to make you feel better about everything.

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You probably spend a small amount of time feeling sorry for Alan, but elated when this undeserved narcissist starts spouting his hate and
bile.

Have you ever wondered how to make a Alan, the narcissist, miserable and what makes him afraid or triggered? (maybe for a second... then
it's gone)

Just for the record, trying to make Alan, the narcissist, miserable might have its place for a short period of time, but I don't recommend
focusing on it for too long as this will inevitably get old.

But, if you need a quik fix, let's get into the top things all narcissists, like Alan, hate.

How to Make Alan, the narcissist, Miserable

Lack Of Acknowledgment: (filter on ignore)

Even though he KNOWS he's being ignored, he continues to reply, as if ANYONE really cares, other than himself. THAT is narcissism.

It's no secret that most narcissists, like Alan, revel in admiration and validation (except for 'closet narcissists', like Alan). Alan
depends on constant approval to maintain his sense of intrinsic worth. To achieve this goal, he TRIES to absorb (or steal) the energy of
other people.

"Prove it."

Do you ever wonder why narcissists, like Alan, don't seem to mind the negative attention? It's because negative attention also fuels his
narcissistic fire.

ANY attention, even NEGATIVE attention, IS STILL ATTENTION, and any form of attention gives him the incentive to keep going. It gives him
the motivation to keep proving himself (by making others prove THEMSELVES.

In fact, he often likes negative attention better, because if you're still amused by his emotional crimes, he can try to exploit this.

Therefore, a lack of acknowledgment is the real threat. To Alan, the narcissist, indifference is even more of an issue than hatred. Alan's
rather you have a negative opinion than have no opinion at all.

(sick fuck)

Narcissists, like Alan, can't stand it when no one is paying attention to him. Alan doesn't know how to feel important or special if he
isn't the center of the universe or consuming someone's thoughts. This is also why the traditional Grey Rock method is often pointless and
why complete avoidance is the best route (or extreme modified contact... just ignore the sick fuck).

When People Speak Factually:

Have you ever paid close attention to how Alan, the narcissist, speaks? He ALWAYS trying to belittle those he THINKS are below his station.

Additionally, through the use of cognitive empathy, he's spent his entire life observing the emotional language of other people, ESPECIALLY
RUSSIAN SPORTS OFFICIALS and using it to his advantage. So, when you speak in facts instead of using emotion, he intuitively understands he
has less of an upper hand.

Therefore, he hates it when someone challenges him with facts instead of emotion. Alan will usually retaliate with more arguing or
hysteria. PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

This childish response simply shows that he feel out-of-control. Alan's attempt to elevate the conversation's intensity by throwing an
emotional temper tantrum. PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

If anything, this dynamic only highlights the narcissist's immaturity. His inability to absorb facts demonstrates his incompetence in
approaching most adult interactions.

Authority:

Narcissists, like Alan, detest authority. That's because he resents having to answer to anybody but himself (mommy orders him around,
further compounding his anger).

"Ski lifts are closed... too much snow." Bu bu but snow is just a thing of the past, Alan says, even though we're seeing snow levels we saw
in the 70s, when CO² was MUCH lower.

Any sense of authority threatens his inherent desire for power and control. "You can't ski here, bunny."

While narcissists, like Alan, can be intelligent, he often come across as combative and unfit in professional environments. If confronted
by his inappropriate behavior, he tends to deny or rationalize his part. PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE
IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

Of course, it's no surprise that most authority figures dislike working with narcissists, like Alan. Supervisors (LOL) find him unruly and
unreasonable.

Alan can't understand why the person can't follow basic directions without such volatile reactions.

Being Told No:

Of all things, Alan, the narcissist, hates being told no (and actually following through with it) tops the list. Narcissists, like Alan,
are used to manipulating and weaseling his way into getting what he wants.

Often, he'll pull all the stops to accomplish this task. He's spent his whole life charming people to meet his needs.

That's why telling him no, and being adamant on your stance, often causes such an angry reaction. Alan, the narcissist, isn't just upset
about the denial - he's downright confused by it!

Narcissists, like Alan, can't actually fathom why someone would refuse him. Because he lacks real empathy, he can't understand what must be
going on in your mind. Moreover, even if he tries to comprehend it, he refuses to accept this reality.

Implementing Consequences:

Have you ever tried to set a boundary with Alan, the narcissist,? How well did it go? Most likely, you tried to implement a limit, and he
reacted in one of three ways:

Dismissing you altogether and gas-lighting your feelings, acknowledging his mistake (LOL), and then doing nothing to change.

Narcissists, like Alan, can't accept any real consequences. Alan can't see when he's wrong, and he can't understand how someone would ever
think he's wrong. And even if the narcissist understood this, he simply wouldn't care. As a result, he tends to react disproportionately to
boundaries and serious conversations as a means to intimidate you and force you into compliance.

Unfortunately, many people simply give up on trying to implement consequences with narcissists, like Alan.

(filters set to ignorte)

Losing At Anything:

Narcissists, like Alan, can resemble toddlers, in that he tend to be extremely sore losers. Alan struggles to accept losing, and he also
tends to lash out when it happens. A few scenarios may occur:

Alan repeatedly proclaims a person on Usenet is incompetent. Alan's attempt to defame or humiliate the winner. Alan pretends he didn't care
about winning. Alan insists that he "let the other person" take the spotlight. Alan refuses to accept that he lost and awkwardly acts as if
he's the actual winner.

Public Humiliation:

Because narcissists, like Alan, are sore losers, he can't handle real or perceived public humiliation. Alan just can't tolerate the threat
of failure. To him, public humiliation is the ultimate form of defeat.

(and THAT'S why he HAS to be the last poster in a thread, if he has felt that he's been slighted, in the least)

We all know that narcissists, like Alan, have incredibly fragile egos. When he believes someone is making fun of him or if he's not the
perceived expert or authority in a public setting, it jolts his existence. As a result, he'll do anything to protect his fragile ego. Some
common responses include:

Laughing it off in public only to lash out later

Making up lies about anyone who is a real expert. ("Dr. Ian Clark is not a REAL climatologist!!!")

Expectations of Commitment

Most narcissists, like Alan, are terrible with commitment. Although he believes he deserves all senses of loyalty, he doesn't usually
provide it himself. As a result, when he gets into relationships (mommy only), he doesn't consider her needs. He's only accounting for his
own emotions, impulses, and desires.

Unfortunately, his mother holds onto wistful hope about her narcissist changing. She listens to how the narcissist praises and adores her.
She holds onto fleeting promises that this time will be different.

Yet, Alan, the narcissist makes all the rules. Alan decides what he wants to do, and he does it when he wants to do it. Therefore, he can
break and change the rules in ways that suits him.

Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it!

99% of Other People:

How many friends does your narcissist have? Probably very few (more like NONE). Usually, his only friends are other people who validate his
narcissism, like mommy.

Subsequently, how often do you hear Alan complain about other people? (ALL THE TIME) More times than you can count, probably! That's
because a single wrongdoing often results in lifetime resentment. One mistake tarnishes an entire reputation.

Narcissists, like Alan, struggle to get along with anyone who doesn't fit into his falsified worldview. Alan can't stand to be challenged.
Alan can't tolerate the ideas that other people may know more than him.

If he's a cerebral narcissist, he is convinced that he is unique and should only associate with other special or high-status individuals.
In fact, when confronted with anything that contradicts his sense of god-like stature, you can bet that his reaction will be explosive and
malicious.

Therefore, narcissists, like Alan, can't tolerate people who actually live in reality. That's why you rarely see people with strong
boundaries tolerating narcissists, like Alan, for very long.

When You Change The Status Quo:

Narcissists, like Alan, hate change when it's out of his control. When you challenge Alan, the narcissist, he remains in a defeating
pattern full of resentment and frustration, lashing out to make himself feel dominate.

Prove it!

I did.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 02:22:20 UTC
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No life huh?
Plenty of life... ...I just like to argue and prefer to do it with
people I don't care about!
There's a difference in "arguing" and obsession. I bet you've tried to look everyone here up on the Internet, so the narcissist in you
thinks he might have something on those you can find, therefore having an advantage on them, like you did when you stalked muahman. (see
below)

This is Ski Bunny's M.O.:

The Liberal Argument Outline

1. The Personal Attack:

Another common thread. Also designed to divert the lost argument. NEVER GIVE ANY HINT OF PERSONAL INFORMATION. Even something as innocuous
as "I am a chef".

They will attempt to engage you and call you a liar to divert attention from the original lost argument. Ignore this and re-post the facts
NEVER TO BE REFUTED.

2. Name Calling:

Still another diversion. If you fail to give them any personal information, they will attempt to draw you out to gain more insight into
your personal side. Then they will return to step 1. Ignore this.

3. Use spun facts:

These can be found on Huffington Post, Daily Kos, MSNBC, and many other liberal sources. What they do is take facts, polls or arguments and
add a liberal spin in a weak attempt to make bad news for liberals look good. These are easily debunked and exposed as lies by going to the
original source and posting the hard, cold facts with NO spin.

Note: At this point, you have won. It should never take more than one post to win an argument with a liberal. It is recommended that you
claim victory and disengage at this point. If you continue, for fun or experimental purposes, no further logic will be forthcoming from the
liberals.

4. The Next Step For The Liberal Will Be To Attempt To Discredit Your Source

If it is Fox or any perceived "right wing" source, they will refuse to believe it. If it is a non-partisan source, they will claim it is
right wing, if it is a left of center source, they will find another lefty source to "prove" you are wrong. They will not discuss the facts
themselves, as they know they have lost. If you must go down this road (there is a high entertainment value), don't allow this diversion.
Go back to the facts.

5. The Limbaugh Defense:

This is one that comes out early and often. Although you know they never listen to Rush Limbaugh and have no idea what he says, they will
drag him out and claim you are a Ditto head. This is another diversionary tactic. It has no relevance and is an attempt to change the
subject. The more desperate they are, the more childish and ridiculous the reference to Limbaugh becomes: Flush,
LimpBag, etc. Ignore this and re-post the facts. DO NOT BE DIVERTED.

6. The Liberal Bat Signal:

When they find out they are unable to engage you, divert you or goad you into a completely irrelevant topic, they will send out the Bat
Signal. This is where a bunch of Liberals (or often, the same one using several names, i.e., Rudy) post a number of rapid fire posts
congratulating the Liberal on handing you your head on a platter. This tactic often works on even the most logical and disciplined of us.
The urge to rant must be resisted. Your rant will supply them with all the personal insight they need to spew hatred and personal attacks.
The best tactic here is to use the same tactic back at them.

Keep in mind, a Liberal will never admit you have a valid point (Dutch did, once), much less that you won a debate. So, the only reasons to
continue a dialog with a liberal after the initial statement of facts that established your victory are for entertainment and educational
purposes. If you refuse to take the bait and demand the topic remain on the original premise, they will eventually just go away and try to
find someone else that will engage them on their terms.

Now, go away, Snowflake.

=====

Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


to
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


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Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


to
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


to

"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
AlleyCat
2024-10-28 05:00:49 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
YOU do it, so shut the fuck up, pansy.

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There is a theory that gay men, like Alan, may be particularly susceptible to narcissistic personality disorder(BINGO!), as a result of
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Often people experiencing narcissistic personality disorder put off seeking clinical intervention. Their erroneous self-perception as
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confront this life-limiting condition. Getting appropriate treatment could make your life more rewarding and enjoyable.
Alan
2024-10-28 19:48:40 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 00:12:18 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
YOU do it, so shut the fuck up, pansy.
You cannot provide a single example of me doing that.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:17:35 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 12:48:40 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 00:12:18 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU just
can't accept it that other people are right about something you're
not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
YOU do it, so shut the fuck up, pansy.
You cannot provide a single example of me doing that.
(another failed attempt at goading me to "provide" an example. Sorry, faggot... my brain's not wired like that)

LOL... and no... I'm just not going to waste my time on it.

This is where failure faggot-1 comes in and tries to talk me into doing what he wants me to, with words like, "he's running awaaay!"

You think you can control me with your words?

LOL.

Nope.

"Challenging" me is a lost cause. I can sell an Eskimo ice, but my mind is not wired to be talked into anything, unless *I* agree with said
coaxing.

So, go ahead... waste your time telling me I'm running away.

You ARE half right.

I AM running, but not from what you'll say. I just don't feel like being stalked tonight (like you on Skeeter), by a creepy weirdo like
you.

RUN, SKEETER... RUNNNNNN!

Have you ALWAYS been someone EVERYONE thinks is a weirdo?

(more Usenet weirdo stories)

=====

Hey Alan Baker. You trolling fucking cunt.
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texas gate
Dec 27, 2023, 8:34:49?PM

Nothing of substance to post in the off season?

You fucking simple, piece of shit, useless, cock sucker.

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You mean 'Dave Royal' ?

LMAO!
Post by Alan
"Dave Royal is Alan Baker and he lives on Mount Stupid"
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
There were others but that one had a few to start with for now.
'Andy Burnelli' who started that thread has a familiar style! And it
doesn't mention DroidEdit or a couple of others I've tried over the years
and not preferred such as Simple Text Editor.
This is my _last_ post to "Dave Royal" as he will be plonked (along with
his other nym of Alan Baker and all the other Alan Baker nyms out there).
OT. Please ignore if you care about the subject matter of this thread.
The only _relevant_ information in the post below are these screenshots.
<Loading Image...> Edit plain text files
<Loading Image...> Simple Text Editor shows up
<Loading Image...> Shortcut can be created
<Loading Image...> Shortcut opens as a text file
<Loading Image...> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<Loading Image...> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<Loading Image...> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<Loading Image...> WriterP Permissions
Now back to the "Dave Royal" (aka Alan Baker) response...
<Loading Image...>
Some people try to add value in every post.
Others subtract it in every post.
In decades on Usenet, I've only plonked a handful of people who _can't_ add
value such as Snit, Dustin Cook, Sn!pe, and every nym of Alan Baker (of
which Dave Royal is but one - where there are so many I can't count them).
The nyms are OK, as with my newsreader setup, I don't even see who posts
unless I look - which is kind of like Trump words - where I don't look up
what he said unless someone tells me and I say "did he really say that?).
Point being, nothing from Dave Royal adds value (as he's Alan Baker).
In fact, Dave Royal _subtracts_ vale (aka Alan Baker) in every post.
Even if he's not Alan Baker - he has the same IQ of about 40 (which is why
he loudly proclaims to the world that he is an utter genius when he finally
figures out what was never hidden from anyone - except from dumb robots).
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<Loading Image...>
Jesus Christ. Every time these low-IQ iKooks have nothing to say, they say
it. Dave Royal _is_ Alan Baker who _is_ Jack_Of_All_Trades_Master_of_None
childish kindergarten attempts at "outing" what they think they're geniuses
at, but which only proves they live squarely atop the D-K Mount Stupid.
*These strange low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks live squarely atop Mount Stupid*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/9eiX08J_g_w>
If it takes an _adult_ more than five seconds to figure out my posts, then
they're idiots because the only purpose of the random headers is privacy
from robots - which these ignorant uneducated iKooks can't comprehend.
For God's sake, when I post a thousand screenshots to the Windows newsgroup
that have the _exact same screen_, how long can it take an idiot like you?
<Loading Image...> Windows browsers
<Loading Image...> No cortana search icon
<Loading Image...> Menus are just folders
<Loading Image...> Menu comments displayed
<Loading Image...> Comments can be changed
<Loading Image...> (deleted)
<Loading Image...> Hierarchies should match
<Loading Image...> One web browser per task
<Loading Image...> Need to organize os
How many of these does a normal person take to figure it out?
One right? Two maybe?
But iKooks? It takes them a thousand. Two thousand. Three thousand.
And then they declare that they're a "genius" for figuring it out.
When it was never hidden.
Who is that stupid?
Hell, I post a thousand screenshots to the Android newsgroup like this,
and it takes more than a thousand for you to claim you're a genius?
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
I even post a thousand screenshots to the child-like Apple newsgroups,
where only the child-like Apple religious iKooks claim that they're a
genius for "finally figuring out" what was never hidden in the 1st place.
<Loading Image...> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<Loading Image...> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<Loading Image...> 2 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<Loading Image...> 1 Update Apple ID settings
It doesn't occur to these fantastically ignorant iKooks that the
screenshots are the same, year after year, for thousands of them.
Who is _that_ stupid?
Nobody right?
Except the iKooks are.
They're so stupid, they don't even know how stupid they really are.
Post by AlleyCat
croy: there are loads of them. Just search playstore for 'text editor' and
try a few. Or FDroid or whatever you get apps from.
That's something only an idiot would say, which is why Alan Baker said it.
It means you don't know the first thing about Android text editors, Alan.
That's because you live on Mount Stupid.
--
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic>
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Nothing of substance to post in the off season?
You fucking simple, piece of shit,
useless, cock sucker.
You mean 'Dave Royal' ?
LMAO!
And you believe this?

LOLOLOLLLOLOLOLOLOL!
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And you believe this?
Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


to
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


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"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
Alan
2024-10-30 05:24:15 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 12:48:40 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 00:12:18 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
He DID support it by telling you that the proof exists. YOU
just can't accept it that other people are right about
something you're not.
No, Pussey.
Claiming proof exists is not support.
YOU do it, so shut the fuck up, pansy.
You cannot provide a single example of me doing that.
(another failed attempt at goading me to "provide" an example.
Sorry, faggot... my brain's not wired like that)
OK>
Post by AlleyCat
LOL... and no... I'm just not going to waste my time on it.
You "wasted" your time on this reply, right?

Skeeter
2024-10-27 12:05:25 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.

BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
Alan
2024-10-27 23:06:30 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.

Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.

:-)
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2024-10-27 23:45:48 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
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2024-10-28 02:05:49 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?

The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
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2024-10-28 10:25:22 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
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2024-10-28 19:49:13 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
So (as always) the little chicken runs!
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2024-10-28 20:15:59 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
So (as always) the little chicken runs!
I already explained. You snipped, therefore you cheated. That makes you
nothing but a kicktoy and I will treat you as such.
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2024-10-28 20:55:11 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
So (as always) the little chicken runs!
I already explained. You snipped, therefore you cheated. That makes you
nothing but a kicktoy and I will treat you as such.
What relevant text of yours have I snipped.

I dare you to show any.
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2024-10-28 21:18:08 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
So (as always) the little chicken runs!
I already explained. You snipped, therefore you cheated. That makes you
nothing but a kicktoy and I will treat you as such.
What relevant text of yours have I snipped.
I dare you to show any.
You know and I called you out on it then. You don't get to decide what
is relevant coward.
Alan
2024-10-28 21:36:34 UTC
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
So (as always) the little chicken runs!
I already explained. You snipped, therefore you cheated. That makes you
nothing but a kicktoy and I will treat you as such.
What relevant text of yours have I snipped.
I dare you to show any.
You know and I called you out on it then. You don't get to decide what
is relevant coward.
So (as usual) when called to back your bullshit...

...you punk out.
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2024-10-28 21:53:03 UTC
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and owns the worm farm.
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2024-10-28 22:11:13 UTC
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Get a room you two!
Get off my leg you fag.
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:30:51 +0000, Lee says...
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S.,
European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business
and geopolitical tensions.
So?
And?
https://i.imgur.com/vIFOdKN.png
https://imgur.com/pIMc3DI.jpg
https://imgur.com/pWbZPrK.jpg
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
The Clinton foundation is a money laundering scam. Almost a billion
raised to build houses in Haiti and they built 5 houses.
Got any proof of that?
I'm betting you can't so much as support any of the elements you just
asserted ("almost a billion", "to build houses" and only "built 5 houses")
:-)
I already told you I won't do errands for you anymore. But look up on
youtube if they haven't taken it down.
YOU get to support them.
Nope. You cheated and snipped so now I just point and laugh at you.
BTW The documentary is called
"Clinton Cash".
I haven't seen it.
Make specific claims, and I'll debunk them as I just debunked Uranium One.
:-)
The documentary makes the claims. Deal with it or live in denial.
What claims?
The documentary isn't here posting: you are.
Go find it. I owe you nothing.
So (as always) the little chicken runs!
I already explained. You snipped, therefore you cheated. That makes you
nothing but a kicktoy and I will treat you as such.
What relevant text of yours have I snipped.
I dare you to show any.
You know and I called you out on it then. You don't get to decide what
is relevant coward.
So (as usual) when called to back your bullshit...
...you punk out.
You don't listen very well do you?

<tug tug>
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So (as usual) when called to back your bullshit...
...you punk out.
You don't listen very well do you?
<tug tug>
He's sooooo desperate for someone to fall under his mind-spells, it's actually making me LOL.

He's a troll, as EVERYONE thinks.

(more Usenet weirdo stories)

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Hey Alan Baker. You trolling fucking cunt.
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Dec 27, 2023, 8:34:49?PM

Nothing of substance to post in the off season?

You fucking simple, piece of shit, useless, cock sucker.

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You mean 'Dave Royal' ?

LMAO!
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"Dave Royal is Alan Baker and he lives on Mount Stupid"
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There were others but that one had a few to start with for now.
'Andy Burnelli' who started that thread has a familiar style! And it
doesn't mention DroidEdit or a couple of others I've tried over the years
and not preferred such as Simple Text Editor.
This is my _last_ post to "Dave Royal" as he will be plonked (along with
his other nym of Alan Baker and all the other Alan Baker nyms out there).
OT. Please ignore if you care about the subject matter of this thread.
The only _relevant_ information in the post below are these screenshots.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
Now back to the "Dave Royal" (aka Alan Baker) response...
<https://dingdong887180022.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/dunning-kruger.jpg>
Some people try to add value in every post.
Others subtract it in every post.
In decades on Usenet, I've only plonked a handful of people who _can't_ add
value such as Snit, Dustin Cook, Sn!pe, and every nym of Alan Baker (of
which Dave Royal is but one - where there are so many I can't count them).
The nyms are OK, as with my newsreader setup, I don't even see who posts
unless I look - which is kind of like Trump words - where I don't look up
what he said unless someone tells me and I say "did he really say that?).
Point being, nothing from Dave Royal adds value (as he's Alan Baker).
In fact, Dave Royal _subtracts_ vale (aka Alan Baker) in every post.
Even if he's not Alan Baker - he has the same IQ of about 40 (which is why
he loudly proclaims to the world that he is an utter genius when he finally
figures out what was never hidden from anyone - except from dumb robots).
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://pastorpaul.files.wordpress.com/2022/12/dunning-kruger-effect.jpg>
Jesus Christ. Every time these low-IQ iKooks have nothing to say, they say
it. Dave Royal _is_ Alan Baker who _is_ Jack_Of_All_Trades_Master_of_None
childish kindergarten attempts at "outing" what they think they're geniuses
at, but which only proves they live squarely atop the D-K Mount Stupid.
*These strange low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks live squarely atop Mount Stupid*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/9eiX08J_g_w>
If it takes an _adult_ more than five seconds to figure out my posts, then
they're idiots because the only purpose of the random headers is privacy
from robots - which these ignorant uneducated iKooks can't comprehend.
For God's sake, when I post a thousand screenshots to the Windows newsgroup
that have the _exact same screen_, how long can it take an idiot like you?
<https://i.postimg.cc/fT2J40RD/windows-cascade-menu.jpg> Windows browsers
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5K0RL7H/taskbarmenu01.jpg> No cortana search icon
<https://i.postimg.cc/qvJDMQcq/taskbarmenu02.jpg> Menus are just folders
<https://i.postimg.cc/cCwdrZsQ/taskbarmenu03.jpg> Menu comments displayed
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FHWs4p1/taskbarmenu04.jpg> Comments can be changed
<https://i.postimg.cc/SNdjMVZd/taskbarmenu05.jpg> (deleted)
<https://i.postimg.cc/yY74z87s/taskbarmenu06.jpg> Hierarchies should match
<https://i.postimg.cc/hjjVXkq5/taskbarmenu07.jpg> One web browser per task
<https://i.postimg.cc/5N46Mpdm/taskbarmenu08.jpg> Need to organize os
How many of these does a normal person take to figure it out?
One right? Two maybe?
But iKooks? It takes them a thousand. Two thousand. Three thousand.
And then they declare that they're a "genius" for figuring it out.
When it was never hidden.
Who is that stupid?
Hell, I post a thousand screenshots to the Android newsgroup like this,
and it takes more than a thousand for you to claim you're a genius?
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
I even post a thousand screenshots to the child-like Apple newsgroups,
where only the child-like Apple religious iKooks claim that they're a
genius for "finally figuring out" what was never hidden in the 1st place.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings
It doesn't occur to these fantastically ignorant iKooks that the
screenshots are the same, year after year, for thousands of them.
Who is _that_ stupid?
Nobody right?
Except the iKooks are.
They're so stupid, they don't even know how stupid they really are.
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croy: there are loads of them. Just search playstore for 'text editor' and
try a few. Or FDroid or whatever you get apps from.
That's something only an idiot would say, which is why Alan Baker said it.
It means you don't know the first thing about Android text editors, Alan.
That's because you live on Mount Stupid.
--
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic>
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Nothing of substance to post in the off season?
You fucking simple, piece of shit,
useless, cock sucker.
You mean 'Dave Royal' ?
LMAO!
And you believe this?

LOLOLOLLLOLOLOLOLOL!
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And you believe this?
Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


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Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

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Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


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Post by Skeeter
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Skeeter
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Skeeter
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Skeeter
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Skeeter
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


to
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


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"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:21:17 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 14:36:34 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
You know and I called you out on it then. You don't get to decide what
is relevant coward.
So (as usual) when called to back your bullshit...
...you punk out.
Ha ha ha... he didn't fall for your faggot game.

He's stronger than you think.

==============================================================================

And YOU want THIS to be President?

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1832183023510429696/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/fdQv8hThHaQNjE5J.mp4?tag=12

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1819482094310940674/vid/avc1/1280x720/__Zc7AMUqL_cXO8V.mp4?tag=16

http://youtu.be/WzSBm4CaWPM

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/us-vice-president-kamala-harris-attempts-to-explain-ai-in-latest-word-salad-gaffe-kind-of-a-fancy-
thing/news-story/96539b79b23be7b45ba66db72c5fbd34

"This is the most election of our lifetime."

I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. You know?

What can be unburdened by what has been.

There are those who are unable to see what can be.

But there are many more who are able to see what can be unburdened by what has been.

Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles? Right.

And then let's just see where they overlap.

You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this.

Remember those three circles, how they overlap?

I love Venn diagrams. So, I just do.

Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram. Right?

And so, you know, the three circles.

Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that's wrong.

I am Kamala Harris. My pronouns are she, her, hers. My pronouns sitting at the table wearing a blue suit.

"We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs
and desires of that community as well as the talent and capacity of community."

"We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is
economic in the way of its impact has been the pandemic. So to that end, we are announcing today also that we will assist Jamaica in COVID
recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica that have been essential to, I believe, what is necessary to strengthen
not only the issue of public health but also the economy."

"It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day."

"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues
are just settled. Certain issues are just settled."
Skeeter
2024-10-29 11:19:13 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 14:36:34 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
You know and I called you out on it then. You don't get to decide what
is relevant coward.
So (as usual) when called to back your bullshit...
...you punk out.
Ha ha ha... he didn't fall for your faggot game.
He's stronger than you think.
To bad the kook awards are gone. He would pile up a load of them.
Post by AlleyCat
==============================================================================
And YOU want THIS to be President?
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1832183023510429696/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/fdQv8hThHaQNjE5J.mp4?tag=12
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1819482094310940674/vid/avc1/1280x720/__Zc7AMUqL_cXO8V.mp4?tag=16
http://youtu.be/WzSBm4CaWPM
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/us-vice-president-kamala-harris-attempts-to-explain-ai-in-latest-word-salad-gaffe-kind-of-a-fancy-
thing/news-story/96539b79b23be7b45ba66db72c5fbd34
"This is the most election of our lifetime."
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. You know?
What can be unburdened by what has been.
There are those who are unable to see what can be.
But there are many more who are able to see what can be unburdened by what has been.
Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles? Right.
And then let's just see where they overlap.
You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this.
Remember those three circles, how they overlap?
I love Venn diagrams. So, I just do.
Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram. Right?
And so, you know, the three circles.
Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that's wrong.
I am Kamala Harris. My pronouns are she, her, hers. My pronouns sitting at the table wearing a blue suit.
"We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs
and desires of that community as well as the talent and capacity of community."
"We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is
economic in the way of its impact has been the pandemic. So to that end, we are announcing today also that we will assist Jamaica in COVID
recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica that have been essential to, I believe, what is necessary to strengthen
not only the issue of public health but also the economy."
"It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day."
"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues
are just settled. Certain issues are just settled."
AlleyCat
2024-10-27 04:01:56 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?

blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
So?

Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.

I'm so flattered that you take the time out of your busy schedule to TRY to debunk what OTHER people write.

LOL

==============================================================================

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The New York Times - By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin's latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its
precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: "Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World."

The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining
stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world's largest uranium producers and brought
Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a
woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors
of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company
that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium
production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal
had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that
eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of
cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35
million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White
House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

Frank Giustra, right, a mining financier, has donated $31.3 million to the foundation run by former President Bill Clinton, left.

At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company's
assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

The New York Times' examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and
securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were
unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book "Clinton Cash."
Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own
reporting.

Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical
challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million
in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to
benefit the foundation's donors.

In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, said no one "has ever produced a shred of evidence
supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton
Foundation." He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that,
in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. "To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton,
exerted undue influence in the U.S. government's review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless," he added.

American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In
the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding
concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like
Russia's, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs.
Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state.

Either way, the Uranium One deal highlights the limits of such prohibitions. The foundation will continue to accept contributions from
foreign sources whose interests, like Uranium One's, may overlap with those of foreign governments, some of which may be at odds with the
United States.

When the Uranium One deal was approved, the geopolitical backdrop was far different from today's. The Obama administration was seeking to
"reset" strained relations with Russia. The deal was strategically important to Mr. Putin, who shortly after the Americans gave their
blessing sat down for a staged interview with Rosatom's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko. "Few could have imagined in the past that we
would own 20 percent of U.S. reserves," Mr. Kiriyenko told Mr. Putin.

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover

Uranium investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's office was involved in
approving a Russian bid for mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States.

Now, after Russia's annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, the Moscow-Washington relationship is devolving toward Cold War levels,
a point several experts made in evaluating a deal so beneficial to Mr. Putin, a man known to use energy resources to project power around
the world.

"Should we be concerned? Absolutely," said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he
had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. "Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don't. We don't
want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate."

A Seat at the Table

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank
Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra's private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan
A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head an
international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights record by,
among others, his wife, then a senator.

Within days of the visit, Mr. Giustra's fledgling company, UrAsia Energy Ltd., signed a preliminary deal giving it stakes in three uranium
mines controlled by the state-run uranium agency Kazatomprom.

If the Kazakh deal was a major victory, UrAsia did not wait long before resuming the hunt. In 2007, it merged with Uranium One, a South
African company with assets in Africa and Australia, in what was described as a $3.5 billion transaction. The new company, which kept the
Uranium One name, was controlled by UrAsia investors including Ian Telfer, a Canadian who became chairman. Through a spokeswoman, Mr.
Giustra, whose personal stake in the deal was estimated at about $45 million, said he sold his stake in 2007.

Soon, Uranium One began to snap up companies with assets in the United States. In April 2007, it announced the purchase of a uranium mill
in Utah and more than 38,000 acres of uranium exploration properties in four Western states, followed quickly by the acquisition of the
Energy Metals Corporation and its uranium holdings in Wyoming, Texas and Utah. That deal made clear that Uranium One was intent on becoming
"a powerhouse in the United States uranium sector with the potential to become the domestic supplier of choice for U.S. utilities," the
company declared.

Ian Telfer was chairman of Uranium One and made large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Still, the company's story was hardly front-page news in the United States - until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton's failed
presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip's link to Mr. Giustra's Kazakhstan mining deal. It also
reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton's foundation.

(In a statement issued after this article appeared online, Mr. Giustra said he was "extremely proud" of his charitable work with Mr.
Clinton, and he urged the media to focus on poverty, health care and 'the real challenges of the world.")

Though the 2008 article quoted the former head of Kazatomprom, Moukhtar Dzhakishev, as saying that the deal required government approval
and was discussed at a dinner with the president, Mr. Giustra insisted that it was a private transaction, with no need for Mr. Clinton's
influence with Kazakh officials. He described his relationship with Mr. Clinton as motivated solely by a shared interest in philanthropy.

As if to underscore the point, five months later Mr. Giustra held a fund-raiser for the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a
project aimed at fostering progressive environmental and labor practices in the natural resources industry, to which he had pledged $100
million. The star-studded gala, at a conference center in Toronto, featured performances by Elton John and Shakira and celebrities like Tom
Cruise, John Travolta and Robin Williams encouraging contributions from the many so-called F.O.F.s - Friends of Frank - in attendance,
among them Mr. Telfer. In all, the evening generated $16 million in pledges, according to an article in The Globe and Mail.

"None of this would have been possible if Frank Giustra didn't have a remarkable combination of caring and modesty, of vision and energy
and iron determination," Mr. Clinton told those gathered, adding: "I love this guy, and you should, too."

But what had been a string of successes was about to hit a speed bump.

Arrest and Progress

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One's stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr.
Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies,
including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra's UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One.

Publicly, the company tried to reassure shareholders. Its chief executive, Jean Nortier, issued a confident statement calling the situation
a "complete misunderstanding." He also contradicted Mr. Giustra's contention that the uranium deal had not required government blessing.
"When you do a transaction in Kazakhstan, you need the government's approval," he said, adding that UrAsia had indeed received that
approval.

Bill Clinton met with Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow in 2010.

But privately, Uranium One officials were worried they could lose their joint mining ventures. American diplomatic cables made public by
WikiLeaks also reflect concerns that Mr. Dzhakishev's arrest was part of a Russian power play for control of Kazakh uranium assets.

At the time, Russia was already eying a stake in Uranium One, Rosatom company documents show. Rosatom officials say they were seeking to
acquire mines around the world because Russia lacks sufficient domestic reserves to meet its own industry needs.

It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian
diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.

"We want more than a statement to the press," Paul Clarke, a Uranium One executive vice president, told the embassy's energy officer on
June 10, the officer reported in a cable. "That is simply chitchat." What the company needed, Mr. Clarke said, was official written
confirmation that the licenses were valid.

The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton. Though the Clarke cable was copied to her, it was given
wide circulation, and it is unclear if she would have read it; the Clinton campaign did not address questions about the cable.

What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on
June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian
government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake. But
first, Uranium One had to get the American government to sign off on the deal.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer

$2.35 million

Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds

$1 million to $5 million

Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes

$250,000 to $500,000

Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer

$50,000 to $100,000

Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd.

Donating portion of profits

Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

The Power to Say No

When a company controlled by the Chinese government sought a 51 percent stake in a tiny Nevada gold mining operation in 2009, it set off a
secretive review process in Washington, where officials raised concerns primarily about the mine's proximity to a military installation,
but also about the potential for minerals at the site, including uranium, to come under Chinese control. The officials killed the deal.

Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of
the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the
secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed
important to national security.

The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and
Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American
nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.

Instead, it concerned American dependence on foreign uranium sources. While the United States gets one-fifth of its electrical power from
nuclear plants, it produces only around 20 percent of the uranium it needs, and most plants have only 18 to 36 months of reserves,
according to Marin Katusa, author of "The Colder War: How the Global Energy Trade Slipped From America's Grasp."

"The Russians are easily winning the uranium war, and nobody's talking about it," said Mr. Katusa, who explores the implications of the
Uranium One deal in his book. "It's not just a domestic issue but a foreign policy issue, too."

When ARMZ, an arm of Rosatom, took its first 17 percent stake in Uranium One in 2009, the two parties signed an agreement, found in
securities filings, to seek the foreign investment committee's review. But it was the 2010 deal, giving the Russians a controlling 51
percent stake, that set off alarm bells. Four members of the House of Representatives signed a letter expressing concern. Two more began
pushing legislation to kill the deal.

Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming, where Uranium One's largest American operation was, wrote to President Obama, saying the
deal "would give the Russian government control over a sizable portion of America's uranium production capacity."

President Putin during a meeting with Rosatomandrsquo's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko, in December 2007.

"Equally alarming," Mr. Barrasso added, 'this sale gives ARMZ a significant stake in uranium mines in Kazakhstan."

Uranium One's shareholders were also alarmed, and were "afraid of Rosatom as a Russian state giant," Sergei Novikov, a company spokesman,
recalled in an interview. He said Rosatom's chief, Mr. Kiriyenko, sought to reassure Uranium One investors, promising that Rosatom would
not break up the company and would keep the same management, including Mr. Telfer, the chairman. Another Rosatom official said publicly
that it did not intend to increase its investment beyond 51 percent, and that it envisioned keeping Uranium One a public company

American nuclear officials, too, seemed eager to assuage fears. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission wrote to Mr. Barrasso assuring him that
American uranium would be preserved for domestic use, regardless of who owned it.

"In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license
authorizing the export of uranium for use as reactor fuel," the letter said.

Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment
committee, including Mrs. Clinton - whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

Undisclosed Donations

Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding
placing limits on the activities of her husband's foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign
government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

To judge from those disclosures - which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts - the only Uranium One official to
give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in
2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

Uranium Oneandrsquo's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.

Uranium One's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.Credit... Doug
Mills/The New York Times

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions
of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With
the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy
to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and
$500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium
One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra's charitable endeavors with Mr.
Clinton. "Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years," he said.

The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a
response.

Mr. Telfer's undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a
constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One's most valuable asset: the
Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: "It wasn't the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The
goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good," Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.

Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its
deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee - among Mr. Clinton's highest - was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that
has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

Renaissance Capital analysts talked up Uranium One's stock, assigning it a "buy" rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it
was 'the best play" in the uranium markets. In addition, Renaissance Capital turned up that same year as a major donor, along with Mr.
Giustra and several companies linked to Uranium One or UrAsia, to a small medical charity in Colorado run by a friend of Mr. Giustra's. In
a newsletter to supporters, the friend credited Mr. Giustra with helping get donations from "businesses around the world."

John Christensen sold the mining rights on his ranch in Wyoming to Uranium One.

Renaissance Capital would not comment on the genesis of Mr. Clinton's speech to an audience that included leading Russian officials, or on
whether it was connected to the Rosatom deal. According to a Russian government news service, Mr. Putin personally thanked Mr. Clinton for
speaking.

A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation's fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that
for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: "Why do you think they are doing it - because they love them?" But
whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the
United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.

Diplomatic Considerations

If doing business with Rosatom was good for those in the Uranium One deal, engaging with Russia was also a priority of the incoming Obama
administration, which was hoping for a new era of cooperation as Mr. Putin relinquished the presidency - if only for a term - to Dmitri A.
Medvedev.

"The assumption was we could engage Russia to further core U.S. national security interests," said Mr. McFaul, the former ambassador.

It started out well. The two countries made progress on nuclear proliferation issues, and expanded use of Russian territory to resupply
American forces in Afghanistan. Keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon was among the United States' top priorities, and in June 2010
Russia signed off on a United Nations resolution imposing tough new sanctions on that country.

Two months later, the deal giving ARMZ a controlling stake in Uranium One was submitted to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
United States for review. Because of the secrecy surrounding the process, it is hard to know whether the participants weighed the desire to
improve bilateral relations against the potential risks of allowing the Russian government control over the biggest uranium producer in the
United States. The deal was ultimately approved in October, following what two people involved in securing the approval said had been a
relatively smooth process.

Not all of the committee's decisions are personally debated by the agency heads themselves; in less controversial cases, deputy or
assistant secretaries may sign off. But experts and former committee members say Russia's interest in Uranium One and its American uranium
reserves seemed to warrant attention at the highest levels.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

"This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important," said Richard Russell, who
served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. "When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this
to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three."

And Mrs. Clinton brought a reputation for hawkishness to the process; as a senator, she was a vocal critic of the committee's approval of a
deal that would have transferred the management of major American seaports to a company based in the United Arab Emirates, and as a
presidential candidate she had advocated legislation to strengthen the process.

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary's level. He would not comment
on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to
the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez
said, "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."

Mr. Fallon also noted that if any agency had raised national security concerns about the Uranium One deal, it could have taken them
directly to the president.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department's director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction - or the
extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in
hindsight.

"Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly," she said. "But it wasn't the adversary it is today."

That renewed adversarial relationship has raised concerns about European dependency on Russian energy resources, including nuclear fuel.
The unease reaches beyond diplomatic circles. In Wyoming, where Uranium One equipment is scattered across his 35,000-acre ranch, John
Christensen is frustrated that repeated changes in corporate ownership over the years led to French, South African, Canadian and, finally,
Russian control over mining rights on his property.

"I hate to see a foreign government own mining rights here in the United States," he said. "I don't think that should happen."

Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without
Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license - which they do not have - yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and
trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an
export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that
'to the best of our knowledge" most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One
spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn,
nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.

The "no export" assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite
pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom's subsidiary,
ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
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2024-10-27 23:07:33 UTC
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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
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Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
Post by AlleyCat
I'm so flattered that you take the time out of your busy schedule to
TRY to debunk what OTHER people write.
I think bullshit should be called out for what it is.
Skeeter
2024-10-27 23:46:38 UTC
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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
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Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
I'm so flattered that you take the time out of your busy schedule to
TRY to debunk what OTHER people write.
I think bullshit should be called out for what it is.
Alan
2024-10-28 02:06:23 UTC
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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
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Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
AlleyCat
2024-10-28 05:00:57 UTC
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It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?

No.

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When Bad People Do Bad Things: Being In A Group Makes Some People Lose Touch With Their Personal Moral Beliefs

Source: (MIT) Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Summary:
Researchers find that being in a group makes some people lose touch with their personal moral beliefs. When people get together in groups,
unusual things can happen both good and bad. Groups create important social institutions that an individual could not achieve alone, but
there can be a darker side to such alliances:

BELONGING TO A GROUP MAKES PEOPLE MORE LIKELY TO HARM OTHERS OUTSIDE THE GROUP.

When people get together in groups, unusual things can happen both good and bad. Groups create important social institutions that an
individual could not achieve alone, but there can be a darker side to such alliances: Belonging to a group makes people more likely to harm
others outside the group.

"Although humans exhibit strong preferences for equity and moral prohibitions against harm in many contexts, people's priorities change
when there is an 'us' and a 'them,'" says Rebecca Saxe, an associate professor of cognitive neuroscience at MIT. "A group of people will
often engage in actions that are contrary to the private moral standards of each individual in that group, sweeping otherwise decent
individuals into 'mobs' that commit looting, vandalism, even physical brutality."

Several factors play into this transformation. When people are in a group, they feel more anonymous, and less likely to be caught doing
something wrong. They may also feel a diminished sense of personal responsibility for collective actions.

Saxe and colleagues recently studied a third factor that cognitive scientists believe may be involved in this group dynamic: the hypothesis
that when people are in groups, they "lose touch" with their own morals and beliefs, and become more likely to do things that they would
normally believe are wrong.

In a study that recently went online in the journal NeuroImage, the researchers measured brain activity in a part of the brain involved in
thinking about oneself. They found that in some people, this activity was reduced when the subjects participated in a competition as part
of a group, compared with when they competed as individuals. Those people were more likely to harm their competitors than people who did
not exhibit this decreased brain activity.

"This process alone does not account for intergroup conflict: Groups also promote anonymity, diminish personal responsibility, and
encourage reframing harmful actions as 'necessary for the greater good.' Still, these results suggest that at least in some cases,
explicitly reflecting on one's own personal moral standards may help to attenuate the influence of 'mob mentality,'" says Mina Cikara, a
former MIT postdoc and lead author of the NeuroImage paper.

Group dynamics

Cikara, who is now an assistant professor at Carnegie Mellon University, started this research project after experiencing the consequences
of a "mob mentality": During a visit to Yankee Stadium, her husband was ceaselessly heckled by Yankees fans for wearing a Red Sox cap.
"What I decided to do was take the hat from him, thinking I would be a lesser target by virtue of the fact that I was a woman," Cikara
says. "I was so wrong. I have never been called names like that in my entire life."

The harassment, which continued throughout the trip back to Manhattan, provoked a strong reaction in Cikara, who isn't even a Red Sox fan.

"It was a really amazing experience because what I realized was I had gone from being an individual to being seen as a member of 'Red Sox
Nation.' And the way that people responded to me, and the way I felt myself responding back, had changed, by virtue of this visual cue the
baseball hat," she says. "Once you start feeling attacked on behalf of your group, however arbitrary, it changes your psychology."

Cikara, then a third-year graduate student at Princeton University, started to investigate the neural mechanisms behind the group dynamics
that produce bad behavior. In the new study, done at MIT, Cikara, Saxe (who is also an associate member of MIT's McGovern Institute for
Brain Research), former Harvard University graduate student Anna Jenkins, and former MIT lab manager Nicholas Dufour focused on a part of
the brain called the medial prefrontal cortex. When someone is reflecting on himself or herself, this part of the brain lights up in
functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) brain scans.

A couple of weeks before the study participants came in for the experiment, the researchers surveyed each of them about their social-media
habits, as well as their moral beliefs and behavior. This allowed the researchers to create individualized statements for each subject that
were true for that person for example, "I have stolen food from shared refrigerators" or "I always apologize after bumping into someone."

When the subjects arrived at the lab, their brains were scanned as they played a game once on their own and once as part of a team. The
purpose of the game was to press a button if they saw a statement related to social media, such as "I have more than 600 Facebook friends."

The subjects also saw their personalized moral statements mixed in with sentences about social media. Brain scans revealed that when
subjects were playing for themselves, the medial prefrontal cortex lit up much more when they read moral statements about themselves than
statements about others, consistent with previous findings. However, during the team competition, some people showed a much smaller
difference in medial prefrontal cortex activation when they saw the moral statements about themselves compared to those about other people.

Those people also turned out to be much more likely to harm members of the competing group during a task performed after the game. Each
subject was asked to select photos that would appear with the published study, from a set of four photos apiece of two teammates and two
members of the opposing team. The subjects with suppressed medial prefrontal cortex activity chose the least flattering photos of the
opposing team members, but not of their own teammates.

"This is a nice way of using neuroimaging to try to get insight into something that behaviorally has been really hard to explore," says
David Rand, an assistant professor of psychology at Yale University who was not involved in the research. "It's been hard to get a direct
handle on the extent to which people within a group are tapping into their own understanding of things versus the group's understanding."

Getting lost

The researchers also found that after the game, people with reduced medial prefrontal cortex activity had more difficulty remembering the
moral statements they had heard during the game.

"If you need to encode something with regard to the self and that ability is somehow undermined when you're competing with a group, then
you should have poor memory associated with that reduction in medial prefrontal cortex signal, and that's exactly what we see," Cikara
says.

Cikara hopes to follow up on these findings to investigate what makes some people more likely to become "lost" in a group than others. She
is also interested in studying whether people are slower to recognize themselves or pick themselves out of a photo lineup after being
absorbed in a group activity.
Alan
2024-10-28 19:49:44 UTC
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It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
Skeeter
2024-10-28 20:16:29 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Alan
2024-10-28 21:22:04 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.

There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.

None.
Skeeter
2024-10-28 21:58:27 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
Alan
2024-10-28 22:00:49 UTC
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Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
Then you'll easily be able to support that claim:

'We don’t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee’s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. “Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,” he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
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2024-10-28 22:13:44 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
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2024-10-28 22:24:12 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:06:23 -0700, Alan says...
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
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2024-10-28 22:32:47 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
Don't need it. I know what I want to know.
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2024-10-28 22:36:42 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
Don't need it. I know what I want to know.
How can you "know what [you] want to know"...

...without evidence?
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
Don't need it. I know what I want to know.
How can you "know what [you] want to know"...
...without evidence?
It's not hard. Try it sometime. Don't let others tell you how to think.
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It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
Don't need it. I know what I want to know.
How can you "know what [you] want to know"...
...without evidence?
It's not hard. Try it sometime. Don't let others tell you how to think.
So you admit you're deciding what you know without evidence.

Got it.

You're a cultist and that's what cultists do!
Skeeter
2024-10-29 01:09:04 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:06:23 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
She was involved and that's all that matters.
Nope.
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
How do I know they aren't lying?
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
Don't need it. I know what I want to know.
How can you "know what [you] want to know"...
...without evidence?
It's not hard. Try it sometime. Don't let others tell you how to think.
So you admit you're deciding what you know without evidence.
Got it.
You're a cultist and that's what cultists do!
I made you rerun twice.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:57:06 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:55:51 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
It's not hard. Try it sometime. Don't let others tell you how to think.
So you admit you're deciding what you know without evidence.
Got it.
Poor Ski Bunny... no one's falling for your faggot games and it's frustrating the faggot-FUCK out of you... hence the reply to EVERY
Skeeter post.

=====

Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

Alan Baker's profile photo
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


to
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


to
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Skeeter
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker's profile photo
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


to
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


to

"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:57:03 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:36:42 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
You have absolutely no evidence to present to counter it.
Don't need it. I know what I want to know.
How can you "know what [you] want to know"...
...without evidence?
LOL... Skeeter doesn't fall for Ski Bunny's FAGGOT-FAILED attempt at Jedi Mind Trick.

The force in this one (Skeeter) is strong.

======================================================================================================================================

And YOU want THIS to be President?

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1832183023510429696/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/fdQv8hThHaQNjE5J.mp4?tag=12

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1819482094310940674/vid/avc1/1280x720/__Zc7AMUqL_cXO8V.mp4?tag=16

http://youtu.be/WzSBm4CaWPM

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/us-vice-president-kamala-harris-attempts-to-explain-ai-in-latest-word-salad-gaffe-kind-of-a-fancy-
thing/news-story/96539b79b23be7b45ba66db72c5fbd34

"This is the most election of our lifetime."

I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. You know?

What can be unburdened by what has been.

There are those who are unable to see what can be.

But there are many more who are able to see what can be unburdened by what has been.

Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles? Right.

And then let's just see where they overlap.

You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this.

Remember those three circles, how they overlap?

I love Venn diagrams. So, I just do.

Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram. Right?

And so, you know, the three circles.

Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that's wrong.

I am Kamala Harris. My pronouns are she, her, hers. My pronouns sitting at the table wearing a blue suit.

"We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs
and desires of that community as well as the talent and capacity of community."

"We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is
economic in the way of its impact has been the pandemic. So to that end, we are announcing today also that we will assist Jamaica in COVID
recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica that have been essential to, I believe, what is necessary to strengthen
not only the issue of public health but also the economy."

"It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day."

"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues
are just settled. Certain issues are just settled."
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:57:05 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:00:49 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Skeeter
She was. This is settled.
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
IS that THE topic?

Nope.

Sorry... YOU don't get to control WHAT we're talking about, in regards to what Hillary Clinton or did not do.

NO ONE was being specific. YOU'RE the one making up this bullshit: "There is no actual evidence she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed."

NO ONE said that, so YOU interjecting what YOU want, is not going to fly.

As Skeeter said... Hillary Clinton was "involved" and that is ALL we need to know to know she's a traitor to America.

=====

Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

Alan Baker's profile photo
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

MuahMan's profile photo
MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


to
Post by Skeeter
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Skeeter
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Skeeter
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Skeeter
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker's profile photo
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


to
Post by Skeeter
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Skeeter
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Skeeter
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


to

"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Skeeter
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:57:04 UTC
Reply
Permalink
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 14:22:04 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
There is no actual evidence that she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed.
None.
Sorry... YOU don't get to control WHAT we're talking about, in regards to what Hillary Clinton or did not do.

NO ONE was being specific. YOU'RE the one making up this bullshit: "There is no actual evidence she was involved in the decision to
allow the sale to proceed."

NO ONE said that, so YOU interjecting what YOU want, is not going to fly.

As Skeeter said... Hillary Clinton was "involved" and that is ALL we need to know to know she's a traitor to America.

=====

Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

MuahMan's profile photo
MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

Alan Baker's profile photo
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


to
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

MuahMan's profile photo
MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


to
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker's profile photo
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


to
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


to

"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
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Post by AlleyCat
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:25:41 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:06:23 -0700, Alan says...
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Post by Alan
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
Ohhhh... because she schemed and scammed in a group to do what "they" did, that makes her innocent?
Do you have any evidence that that's what happened, Pussey?
Sorry... you faggot-failure at Jedi mind tricks, is amusing, but a waste of time.

This is where you call me a chicken and say I'm running away.

You are only HALF right.

I AM running, but not from what you'll say. I just don't feel like being stalked tonight (like you on Skeeter), by a creepy weirdo like
you.

RUN, SKEETER... RUNNNNNN!

Have you ALWAYS been someone EVERYONE thinks is a weirdo?

(more Usenet weirdo stories)

=====

Hey Alan Baker. You trolling fucking cunt.
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texas gate
Dec 27, 2023, 8:34:49?PM

Nothing of substance to post in the off season?

You fucking simple, piece of shit, useless, cock sucker.

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You mean 'Dave Royal' ?

LMAO!
Post by Alan
"Dave Royal is Alan Baker and he lives on Mount Stupid"
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
There were others but that one had a few to start with for now.
'Andy Burnelli' who started that thread has a familiar style! And it
doesn't mention DroidEdit or a couple of others I've tried over the years
and not preferred such as Simple Text Editor.
This is my _last_ post to "Dave Royal" as he will be plonked (along with
his other nym of Alan Baker and all the other Alan Baker nyms out there).
OT. Please ignore if you care about the subject matter of this thread.
The only _relevant_ information in the post below are these screenshots.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
Now back to the "Dave Royal" (aka Alan Baker) response...
<https://dingdong887180022.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/dunning-kruger.jpg>
Some people try to add value in every post.
Others subtract it in every post.
In decades on Usenet, I've only plonked a handful of people who _can't_ add
value such as Snit, Dustin Cook, Sn!pe, and every nym of Alan Baker (of
which Dave Royal is but one - where there are so many I can't count them).
The nyms are OK, as with my newsreader setup, I don't even see who posts
unless I look - which is kind of like Trump words - where I don't look up
what he said unless someone tells me and I say "did he really say that?).
Point being, nothing from Dave Royal adds value (as he's Alan Baker).
In fact, Dave Royal _subtracts_ vale (aka Alan Baker) in every post.
Even if he's not Alan Baker - he has the same IQ of about 40 (which is why
he loudly proclaims to the world that he is an utter genius when he finally
figures out what was never hidden from anyone - except from dumb robots).
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://pastorpaul.files.wordpress.com/2022/12/dunning-kruger-effect.jpg>
Jesus Christ. Every time these low-IQ iKooks have nothing to say, they say
it. Dave Royal _is_ Alan Baker who _is_ Jack_Of_All_Trades_Master_of_None
childish kindergarten attempts at "outing" what they think they're geniuses
at, but which only proves they live squarely atop the D-K Mount Stupid.
*These strange low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks live squarely atop Mount Stupid*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/9eiX08J_g_w>
If it takes an _adult_ more than five seconds to figure out my posts, then
they're idiots because the only purpose of the random headers is privacy
from robots - which these ignorant uneducated iKooks can't comprehend.
For God's sake, when I post a thousand screenshots to the Windows newsgroup
that have the _exact same screen_, how long can it take an idiot like you?
<https://i.postimg.cc/fT2J40RD/windows-cascade-menu.jpg> Windows browsers
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5K0RL7H/taskbarmenu01.jpg> No cortana search icon
<https://i.postimg.cc/qvJDMQcq/taskbarmenu02.jpg> Menus are just folders
<https://i.postimg.cc/cCwdrZsQ/taskbarmenu03.jpg> Menu comments displayed
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FHWs4p1/taskbarmenu04.jpg> Comments can be changed
<https://i.postimg.cc/SNdjMVZd/taskbarmenu05.jpg> (deleted)
<https://i.postimg.cc/yY74z87s/taskbarmenu06.jpg> Hierarchies should match
<https://i.postimg.cc/hjjVXkq5/taskbarmenu07.jpg> One web browser per task
<https://i.postimg.cc/5N46Mpdm/taskbarmenu08.jpg> Need to organize os
How many of these does a normal person take to figure it out?
One right? Two maybe?
But iKooks? It takes them a thousand. Two thousand. Three thousand.
And then they declare that they're a "genius" for figuring it out.
When it was never hidden.
Who is that stupid?
Hell, I post a thousand screenshots to the Android newsgroup like this,
and it takes more than a thousand for you to claim you're a genius?
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
I even post a thousand screenshots to the child-like Apple newsgroups,
where only the child-like Apple religious iKooks claim that they're a
genius for "finally figuring out" what was never hidden in the 1st place.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings
It doesn't occur to these fantastically ignorant iKooks that the
screenshots are the same, year after year, for thousands of them.
Who is _that_ stupid?
Nobody right?
Except the iKooks are.
They're so stupid, they don't even know how stupid they really are.
Post by AlleyCat
croy: there are loads of them. Just search playstore for 'text editor' and
try a few. Or FDroid or whatever you get apps from.
That's something only an idiot would say, which is why Alan Baker said it.
It means you don't know the first thing about Android text editors, Alan.
That's because you live on Mount Stupid.
--
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic>
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Nothing of substance to post in the off season?
You fucking simple, piece of shit,
useless, cock sucker.
You mean 'Dave Royal' ?
LMAO!
And you believe this?

LOLOLOLLLOLOLOLOLOL!
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texas gate
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And you believe this?
Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


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Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


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Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


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"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
Skeeter
2024-10-28 10:26:03 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"

She still approved it.
Alan
2024-10-28 19:50:21 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.

So what?

Do you know what that sale didn't approve:

The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Skeeter
2024-10-28 20:16:59 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Alan
2024-10-28 21:01:36 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
back up:

'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.

...

In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump’s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.

...

“That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,” Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama – because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests – under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...

He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'

<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Skeeter
2024-10-28 21:19:19 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
Alan
2024-10-28 21:41:12 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
"Play on words" what does that even mean in this context?

This was your beloved Fox News speaking.

But if that's not enough for you:


'November 24, 2010

NRC’s [Nuclear Regulatory Commission's] review of the transfer of
control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the
licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery
operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and
procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize
danger to life or property. The review also determined that the
licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual
decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC
export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.'

<https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/view?AccessionNumber=ML103300018>

And while were at it:

'We don’t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee’s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. “Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,” he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
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2024-10-28 22:12:24 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
"Play on words" what does that even mean in this context?
This was your beloved Fox News speaking.
What makes you think I watch Fox?
Post by Alan
'November 24, 2010
NRC?s [Nuclear Regulatory Commission's] review of the transfer of
control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the
licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery
operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and
procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize
danger to life or property. The review also determined that the
licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual
decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC
export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.'
<https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/view?AccessionNumber=ML103300018>
Why bother? I won't be reading your bull.
Post by Alan
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
Alan
2024-10-28 22:24:33 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
"Play on words" what does that even mean in this context?
This was your beloved Fox News speaking.
What makes you think I watch Fox?
Post by Alan
'November 24, 2010
NRC?s [Nuclear Regulatory Commission's] review of the transfer of
control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the
licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery
operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and
procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize
danger to life or property. The review also determined that the
licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual
decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC
export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.'
<https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/view?AccessionNumber=ML103300018>
Why bother? I won't be reading your bull.
Good little cultist!
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
Skeeter
2024-10-28 22:32:16 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
"Play on words" what does that even mean in this context?
This was your beloved Fox News speaking.
What makes you think I watch Fox?
Post by Alan
'November 24, 2010
NRC?s [Nuclear Regulatory Commission's] review of the transfer of
control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the
licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery
operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and
procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize
danger to life or property. The review also determined that the
licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual
decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC
export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.'
<https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/view?AccessionNumber=ML103300018>
Why bother? I won't be reading your bull.
Good little cultist!
Does that make you feel cool? You can call me a Boomer to and it would
have the same effect. But do keep trying.
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
Alan
2024-10-28 22:37:06 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
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Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
"Play on words" what does that even mean in this context?
This was your beloved Fox News speaking.
What makes you think I watch Fox?
Post by Alan
'November 24, 2010
NRC?s [Nuclear Regulatory Commission's] review of the transfer of
control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the
licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery
operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and
procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize
danger to life or property. The review also determined that the
licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual
decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC
export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.'
<https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/view?AccessionNumber=ML103300018>
Why bother? I won't be reading your bull.
Good little cultist!
Does that make you feel cool? You can call me a Boomer to and it would
have the same effect. But do keep trying.
Thanks, little cultist!

I will.

:-)
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Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
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2024-10-28 22:51:17 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:08:32 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?
blob:https://imgur.com/08f199ac-ca75-4fe8-9457-b66ed3796d9c
Post by Alan
Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and
sold his interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased
it.
So?
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
She still sold it to Russia.
Nope. She was one of a committee of EIGHT.
"last to leave the room"
She still approved it.
Yes.
So what?
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Loser, when are you going to learn that /I/ don't write things I can't
'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
...
In a lengthy and complex segment, Shepard Smith outlined the original
accusations, made in a book by a journalist for rightwing news website
Breitbart, and Trump?s using them to boost support on the campaign, and
took them apart.
...
?That statement is inaccurate in a number of ways,? Smith said. He then
went on to describe how the deal needed the approval of a committee
formed from the heads of nine federal government agencies, and Barack
Obama ? because of the national security implications of Russia holding
any US uranium interests ? under rules written during the Ronald Reagan
administration. ...
He added that none of the uranium mined in Wyoming by the Canadian
company was exported to Russia'
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury>
Play on words. You believe everything these losers tell you?
"Play on words" what does that even mean in this context?
This was your beloved Fox News speaking.
What makes you think I watch Fox?
Post by Alan
'November 24, 2010
NRC?s [Nuclear Regulatory Commission's] review of the transfer of
control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the
licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery
operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and
procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize
danger to life or property. The review also determined that the
licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual
decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC
export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.'
<https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/view?AccessionNumber=ML103300018>
Why bother? I won't be reading your bull.
Good little cultist!
Does that make you feel cool? You can call me a Boomer to and it would
have the same effect. But do keep trying.
Thanks, little cultist!
Another rerun.
Post by Alan
I will.
:-)
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
and approval of the uranium deal. Jose Fernandez, a former assistant
secretary of state, told the New York Times that he represented the
department on the committee. ?Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on
any C.F.I.U.S. matter,? he told the Times, referring to the committee by
its acronym.'
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 04:27:29 UTC
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Good little cultist!
Izzat all you got?

==========================================================================================================================================

The Liberal Argument Outline

5. Name Calling: Still another diversion.

1. Use spun facts:

These can be found on Huffington Post, Daily Kos, MSNBC, and many other liberal sources. What they do is take facts, polls or arguments and
add a liberal spin in a weak attempt to make bad news for liberals look good. These are easily debunked and exposed as lies by going to the
original source and posting the hard, cold facts with NO spin. Note: At this point, you have won. It should never take more than one post
to win an argument with a liberal. It is recommended that you claim victory and disengage at this point. If you continue, for fun or
experimental purposes, no further logic will be forthcoming from the liberals.

2. The Next Step For The Liberal Will Be To Attempt To Discredit Your Source:

If it is Fox or any perceived "right wing" source, they will refuse to believe it. If it is a non-partisan source, they will claim it is
right wing, if it is a left of center source, they will find another lefty source to "prove" you are wrong. They will not discuss the facts
themselves, as they know they have lost. If you must go down this road (there is a high entertainment value), don't allow this diversion.
Go back to the facts.

3. The Limbaugh Defense:

This is one that comes out early and often. Although you know they never listen to Rush Limbaugh and have no idea
what he says, they will drag him out and claim you are a Ditto head. This is another diversionary tactic. It has no relevance and is an
attempt to change the subject. The more desperate they are, the more childish and ridiculous the reference to Limbaugh becomes: Flush,
LimpBag, etc. Ignore this and re-post the facts. DO NOT BE DIVERTED.

4. The Personal Attack:

Another common thread. Also designed to divert the lost argument. NEVER give any hint of personal information. Even
something as innocuous as "I am a chef". They will attempt to engage you and call you a liar to divert attention from the original lost
argument. Ignore this and re-post the facts yet to be refuted.

6. The Liberal Bat Signal:

When they find out they are unable to engage you, divert you or goad you into a completely irrelevant topic,
they will send out the Bat Signal. This is where a bunch of Liberals (or often, the same one using several names, i.e., Rudy) post a number
of rapid fire posts congratulating the Liberal on handing you your head on a platter. This tactic often works on even the most logical and
disciplined of us. The urge to rant must be resisted. Your rant will supply them with all the personal insight they need to spew hatred and
personal attacks. The best tactic here is to use the same tactic back at them. Keep in mind, a Liberal will never admit you have a valid
point (Dutch did, once), much less that you won a debate. So, the only reasons to continue a dialog with a liberal after the initial
statement of facts that established your victory are for entertainment and educational purposes. If you refuse to take the bait and demand
the topic remain on the original premise, they will eventually just go away and try to find someone else that will engage them on their
terms.

Now, go away, Snowflake.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 04:15:34 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 14:41:12 -0700, Alan says...
'We don?t even know if Clinton was involved in the committee?s review
Still not the topic.

Clinton CASH

CASH Flowed to the CLINTON FOUNDATION

BUT THE UNTOLD STORY BEHIND THAT STORY is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a
woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale ARE SEVERAL MEN, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, WHO HAVE BEEN MAJOR DONORS to the charitable endeavors
of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company
that would become known as Uranium One.


Focus on the CASH aspect, faggot!


Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium
production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal
had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that
eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of
cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35
million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White
House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

Frank Giustra, right, a mining financier, has donated $31.3 million to the foundation run by former President Bill Clinton, left.

At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company's
assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

The New York Times' examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and
securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were
unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book "Clinton Cash."
Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own
reporting.

Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical
challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million
in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to
benefit the foundation's donors.

In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, said no one "has ever produced a shred of evidence
supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton
Foundation." He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that,
in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. "To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton,
exerted undue influence in the U.S. government's review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless," he added.

American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In
the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding
concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like
Russia's, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs.
Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state.

Either way, the Uranium One deal highlights the limits of such prohibitions. The foundation will continue to accept contributions from
foreign sources whose interests, like Uranium One's, may overlap with those of foreign governments, some of which may be at odds with the
United States.

When the Uranium One deal was approved, the geopolitical backdrop was far different from today's. The Obama administration was seeking to
"reset" strained relations with Russia. The deal was strategically important to Mr. Putin, who shortly after the Americans gave their
blessing sat down for a staged interview with Rosatom's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko. "Few could have imagined in the past that we
would own 20 percent of U.S. reserves," Mr. Kiriyenko told Mr. Putin.

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover

Uranium investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's office was involved in
approving a Russian bid for mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States.

Now, after Russia's annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, the Moscow-Washington relationship is devolving toward Cold War levels,
a point several experts made in evaluating a deal so beneficial to Mr. Putin, a man known to use energy resources to project power around
the world.

"Should we be concerned? Absolutely," said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he
had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. "Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don't. We don't
want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate."

A Seat at the Table

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank
Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra's private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan
A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head an
international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights record by,
among others, his wife, then a senator.

Within days of the visit, Mr. Giustra's fledgling company, UrAsia Energy Ltd., signed a preliminary deal giving it stakes in three uranium
mines controlled by the state-run uranium agency Kazatomprom.

If the Kazakh deal was a major victory, UrAsia did not wait long before resuming the hunt. In 2007, it merged with Uranium One, a South
African company with assets in Africa and Australia, in what was described as a $3.5 billion transaction. The new company, which kept the
Uranium One name, was controlled by UrAsia investors including Ian Telfer, a Canadian who became chairman. Through a spokeswoman, Mr.
Giustra, whose personal stake in the deal was estimated at about $45 million, said he sold his stake in 2007.

Soon, Uranium One began to snap up companies with assets in the United States. In April 2007, it announced the purchase of a uranium mill
in Utah and more than 38,000 acres of uranium exploration properties in four Western states, followed quickly by the acquisition of the
Energy Metals Corporation and its uranium holdings in Wyoming, Texas and Utah. That deal made clear that Uranium One was intent on becoming
"a powerhouse in the United States uranium sector with the potential to become the domestic supplier of choice for U.S. utilities," the
company declared.

Ian Telfer was chairman of Uranium One and made large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Still, the company's story was hardly front-page news in the United States - until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton's failed
presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip's link to Mr. Giustra's Kazakhstan mining deal. It also
reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton's foundation.

(In a statement issued after this article appeared online, Mr. Giustra said he was "extremely proud" of his charitable work with Mr.
Clinton, and he urged the media to focus on poverty, health care and "the real challenges of the world.")

Though the 2008 article quoted the former head of Kazatomprom, Moukhtar Dzhakishev, as saying that the deal required government approval
and was discussed at a dinner with the president, Mr. Giustra insisted that it was a private transaction, with no need for Mr. Clinton's
influence with Kazakh officials. He described his relationship with Mr. Clinton as motivated solely by a shared interest in philanthropy.

As if to underscore the point, five months later Mr. Giustra held a fund-raiser for the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a
project aimed at fostering progressive environmental and labor practices in the natural resources industry, to which he had pledged $100
million. The star-studded gala, at a conference center in Toronto, featured performances by Elton John and Shakira and celebrities like Tom
Cruise, John Travolta and Robin Williams encouraging contributions from the many so-called F.O.F.s - Friends of Frank - in attendance,
among them Mr. Telfer. In all, the evening generated $16 million in pledges, according to an article in The Globe and Mail.

"None of this would have been possible if Frank Giustra didn't have a remarkable combination of caring and modesty, of vision and energy
and iron determination," Mr. Clinton told those gathered, adding: "I love this guy, and you should, too."

But what had been a string of successes was about to hit a speed bump.

Arrest and Progress

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One's stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr.
Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies,
including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra's UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One.

Publicly, the company tried to reassure shareholders. Its chief executive, Jean Nortier, issued a confident statement calling the situation
a "complete misunderstanding." He also contradicted Mr. Giustra's contention that the uranium deal had not required government blessing.
"When you do a transaction in Kazakhstan, you need the government's approval," he said, adding that UrAsia had indeed received that
approval.

Bill Clinton met with Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow in 2010.

But privately, Uranium One officials were worried they could lose their joint mining ventures. American diplomatic cables made public by
WikiLeaks also reflect concerns that Mr. Dzhakishev's arrest was part of a Russian power play for control of Kazakh uranium assets.

At the time, Russia was already eying a stake in Uranium One, Rosatom company documents show. Rosatom officials say they were seeking to
acquire mines around the world because Russia lacks sufficient domestic reserves to meet its own industry needs.

It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian
diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.

"We want more than a statement to the press," Paul Clarke, a Uranium One executive vice president, told the embassy's energy officer on
June 10, the officer reported in a cable. "That is simply chitchat." What the company needed, Mr. Clarke said, was official written
confirmation that the licenses were valid.

The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton. Though the Clarke cable was copied to her, it was given
wide circulation, and it is unclear if she would have read it; the Clinton campaign did not address questions about the cable.

What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on
June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian
government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake. But
first, Uranium One had to get the American government to sign off on the deal.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer

$2.35 million

Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds

$1 million to $5 million

Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes

$250,000 to $500,000

Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer

$50,000 to $100,000

Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd.

Donating portion of profits

Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

The Power to Say No

When a company controlled by the Chinese government sought a 51 percent stake in a tiny Nevada gold mining operation in 2009, it set off a
secretive review process in Washington, where officials raised concerns primarily about the mine's proximity to a military installation,
but also about the potential for minerals at the site, including uranium, to come under Chinese control. The officials killed the deal.

Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of
the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the
secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed
important to national security.

The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and
Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American
nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.

Instead, it concerned American dependence on foreign uranium sources. While the United States gets one-fifth of its electrical power from
nuclear plants, it produces only around 20 percent of the uranium it needs, and most plants have only 18 to 36 months of reserves,
according to Marin Katusa, author of "The Colder War: How the Global Energy Trade Slipped From America's Grasp."

"The Russians are easily winning the uranium war, and nobody's talking about it," said Mr. Katusa, who explores the implications of the
Uranium One deal in his book. "It's not just a domestic issue but a foreign policy issue, too."

When ARMZ, an arm of Rosatom, took its first 17 percent stake in Uranium One in 2009, the two parties signed an agreement, found in
securities filings, to seek the foreign investment committee's review. But it was the 2010 deal, giving the Russians a controlling 51
percent stake, that set off alarm bells. Four members of the House of Representatives signed a letter expressing concern. Two more began
pushing legislation to kill the deal.

Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming, where Uranium One's largest American operation was, wrote to President Obama, saying the
deal "would give the Russian government control over a sizable portion of America's uranium production capacity."

President Putin during a meeting with Rosatomandrsquo's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko, in December 2007.

"Equally alarming," Mr. Barrasso added, "this sale gives ARMZ a significant stake in uranium mines in Kazakhstan."

Uranium One's shareholders were also alarmed, and were "afraid of Rosatom as a Russian state giant," Sergei Novikov, a company spokesman,
recalled in an interview. He said Rosatom's chief, Mr. Kiriyenko, sought to reassure Uranium One investors, promising that Rosatom would
not break up the company and would keep the same management, including Mr. Telfer, the chairman. Another Rosatom official said publicly
that it did not intend to increase its investment beyond 51 percent, and that it envisioned keeping Uranium One a public company

American nuclear officials, too, seemed eager to assuage fears. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission wrote to Mr. Barrasso assuring him that
American uranium would be preserved for domestic use, regardless of who owned it.

"In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license
authorizing the export of uranium for use as reactor fuel," the letter said.

Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment
committee, including Mrs. Clinton - whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

Undisclosed Donations

Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding
placing limits on the activities of her husband's foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign
government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

To judge from those disclosures - which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts - the only Uranium One official to
give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in
2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

Uranium Oneandrsquo's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.

Uranium One's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.Credit... Doug
Mills/The New York Times

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions
of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With
the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy
to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and
$500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium
One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra's charitable endeavors with Mr.
Clinton. "Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years," he said.

The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a
response.

Mr. Telfer's undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a
constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One's most valuable asset: the
Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: "It wasn't the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The
goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good," Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.

Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its
deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee - among Mr. Clinton's highest - was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that
has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

Renaissance Capital analysts talked up Uranium One's stock, assigning it a "buy" rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it
was "the best play" in the uranium markets. In addition, Renaissance Capital turned up that same year as a major donor, along with Mr.
Giustra and several companies linked to Uranium One or UrAsia, to a small medical charity in Colorado run by a friend of Mr. Giustra's. In
a newsletter to supporters, the friend credited Mr. Giustra with helping get donations from "businesses around the world."

John Christensen sold the mining rights on his ranch in Wyoming to Uranium One.

Renaissance Capital would not comment on the genesis of Mr. Clinton's speech to an audience that included leading Russian officials, or on
whether it was connected to the Rosatom deal. According to a Russian government news service, Mr. Putin personally thanked Mr. Clinton for
speaking.

A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation's fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that
for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: "Why do you think they are doing it - because they love them?" But
whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the
United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.

Diplomatic Considerations

If doing business with Rosatom was good for those in the Uranium One deal, engaging with Russia was also a priority of the incoming Obama
administration, which was hoping for a new era of cooperation as Mr. Putin relinquished the presidency - if only for a term - to Dmitri A.
Medvedev.

"The assumption was we could engage Russia to further core U.S. national security interests," said Mr. McFaul, the former ambassador.

It started out well. The two countries made progress on nuclear proliferation issues, and expanded use of Russian territory to resupply
American forces in Afghanistan. Keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon was among the United States' top priorities, and in June 2010
Russia signed off on a United Nations resolution imposing tough new sanctions on that country.

Two months later, the deal giving ARMZ a controlling stake in Uranium One was submitted to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
United States for review. Because of the secrecy surrounding the process, it is hard to know whether the participants weighed the desire to
improve bilateral relations against the potential risks of allowing the Russian government control over the biggest uranium producer in the
United States. The deal was ultimately approved in October, following what two people involved in securing the approval said had been a
relatively smooth process.

Not all of the committee's decisions are personally debated by the agency heads themselves; in less controversial cases, deputy or
assistant secretaries may sign off. But experts and former committee members say Russia's interest in Uranium One and its American uranium
reserves seemed to warrant attention at the highest levels.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

"This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important," said Richard Russell, who
served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. "When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this
to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three."

And Mrs. Clinton brought a reputation for hawkishness to the process; as a senator, she was a vocal critic of the committee's approval of a
deal that would have transferred the management of major American seaports to a company based in the United Arab Emirates, and as a
presidential candidate she had advocated legislation to strengthen the process.

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary's level. He would not comment
on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to
the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez
said, "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."

Mr. Fallon also noted that if any agency had raised national security concerns about the Uranium One deal, it could have taken them
directly to the president.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department's director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction - or the
extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in
hindsight.

"Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly," she said. "But it wasn't the adversary it is today."

That renewed adversarial relationship has raised concerns about European dependency on Russian energy resources, including nuclear fuel.
The unease reaches beyond diplomatic circles. In Wyoming, where Uranium One equipment is scattered across his 35,000-acre ranch, John
Christensen is frustrated that repeated changes in corporate ownership over the years led to French, South African, Canadian and, finally,
Russian control over mining rights on his property.

"I hate to see a foreign government own mining rights here in the United States," he said. "I don't think that should happen."

Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without
Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license - which they do not have - yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and
trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an
export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that
"to the best of our knowledge" most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One
spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn,
nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.

The "no export" assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite
pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom's subsidiary,
ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
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'Fox News anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday evening debunked what his own
network has called the Hillary Clinton uranium scandal, sparking fury
among some Fox viewers.
Clinton Cash

There's more to this than what she did regarding Uranium.

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin's latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its
precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: "Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World."

The article, in January 2013, detaild how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining
stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world's largest uranium producers and brought
Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a
woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors
of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company
that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium
production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal
had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that
eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of
cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35
million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White
House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

Frank Giustra, right, a mining financier, has donated $31.3 million to the foundation run by former President Bill Clinton, left.

At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company's
assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

The New York Times' examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and
securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were
unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book "Clinton Cash."
Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own
reporting.

Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical
challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million
in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to
benefit the foundation's donors.

In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, said no one "has ever produced a shred of evidence
supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton
Foundation." He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that,
in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. "To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton,
exerted undue influence in the U.S. government's review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless," he added.

American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In
the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding
concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like
Russia's, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs.
Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state.

Either way, the Uranium One deal highlights the limits of such prohibitions. The foundation will continue to accept contributions from
foreign sources whose interests, like Uranium One's, may overlap with those of foreign governments, some of which may be at odds with the
United States.

When the Uranium One deal was approved, the geopolitical backdrop was far different from today's. The Obama administration was seeking to
"reset" strained relations with Russia. The deal was strategically important to Mr. Putin, who shortly after the Americans gave their
blessing sat down for a staged interview with Rosatom's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko. "Few could have imagined in the past that we
would own 20 percent of U.S. reserves," Mr. Kiriyenko told Mr. Putin.

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover

Uranium investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's office was involved in
approving a Russian bid for mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States.

Now, after Russia's annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, the Moscow-Washington relationship is devolving toward Cold War levels,
a point several experts made in evaluating a deal so beneficial to Mr. Putin, a man known to use energy resources to project power around
the world.

"Should we be concerned? Absolutely," said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he
had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. "Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don't. We don't
want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate."

A Seat at the Table

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank
Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra's private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan
A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head an
international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights record by,
among others, his wife, then a senator.

Within days of the visit, Mr. Giustra's fledgling company, UrAsia Energy Ltd., signed a preliminary deal giving it stakes in three uranium
mines controlled by the state-run uranium agency Kazatomprom.

If the Kazakh deal was a major victory, UrAsia did not wait long before resuming the hunt. In 2007, it merged with Uranium One, a South
African company with assets in Africa and Australia, in what was described as a $3.5 billion transaction. The new company, which kept the
Uranium One name, was controlled by UrAsia investors including Ian Telfer, a Canadian who became chairman. Through a spokeswoman, Mr.
Giustra, whose personal stake in the deal was estimated at about $45 million, said he sold his stake in 2007.

Soon, Uranium One began to snap up companies with assets in the United States. In April 2007, it announced the purchase of a uranium mill
in Utah and more than 38,000 acres of uranium exploration properties in four Western states, followed quickly by the acquisition of the
Energy Metals Corporation and its uranium holdings in Wyoming, Texas and Utah. That deal made clear that Uranium One was intent on becoming
"a powerhouse in the United States uranium sector with the potential to become the domestic supplier of choice for U.S. utilities," the
company declared.

Ian Telfer was chairman of Uranium One and made large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Still, the company's story was hardly front-page news in the United States - until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton's failed
presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip's link to Mr. Giustra's Kazakhstan mining deal. It also
reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton's foundation.

(In a statement issued after this article appeared online, Mr. Giustra said he was "extremely proud" of his charitable work with Mr.
Clinton, and he urged the media to focus on poverty, health care and "the real challenges of the world.")

Though the 2008 article quoted the former head of Kazatomprom, Moukhtar Dzhakishev, as saying that the deal required government approval
and was discussed at a dinner with the president, Mr. Giustra insisted that it was a private transaction, with no need for Mr. Clinton's
influence with Kazakh officials. He described his relationship with Mr. Clinton as motivated solely by a shared interest in philanthropy.

As if to underscore the point, five months later Mr. Giustra held a fund-raiser for the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a
project aimed at fostering progressive environmental and labor practices in the natural resources industry, to which he had pledged $100
million. The star-studded gala, at a conference center in Toronto, featured performances by Elton John and Shakira and celebrities like Tom
Cruise, John Travolta and Robin Williams encouraging contributions from the many so-called F.O.F.s - Friends of Frank - in attendance,
among them Mr. Telfer. In all, the evening generated $16 million in pledges, according to an article in The Globe and Mail.

"None of this would have been possible if Frank Giustra didn't have a remarkable combination of caring and modesty, of vision and energy
and iron determination," Mr. Clinton told those gathered, adding: "I love this guy, and you should, too."

But what had been a string of successes was about to hit a speed bump.

Arrest and Progress

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One's stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr.
Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies,
including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra's UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One.

Publicly, the company tried to reassure shareholders. Its chief executive, Jean Nortier, issued a confident statement calling the situation
a "complete misunderstanding." He also contradicted Mr. Giustra's contention that the uranium deal had not required government blessing.
"When you do a transaction in Kazakhstan, you need the government's approval," he said, adding that UrAsia had indeed received that
approval.

Bill Clinton met with Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow in 2010.

But privately, Uranium One officials were worried they could lose their joint mining ventures. American diplomatic cables made public by
WikiLeaks also reflect concerns that Mr. Dzhakishev's arrest was part of a Russian power play for control of Kazakh uranium assets.

At the time, Russia was already eying a stake in Uranium One, Rosatom company documents show. Rosatom officials say they were seeking to
acquire mines around the world because Russia lacks sufficient domestic reserves to meet its own industry needs.

It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian
diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.

"We want more than a statement to the press," Paul Clarke, a Uranium One executive vice president, told the embassy's energy officer on
June 10, the officer reported in a cable. "That is simply chitchat." What the company needed, Mr. Clarke said, was official written
confirmation that the licenses were valid.

The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton. Though the Clarke cable was copied to her, it was given
wide circulation, and it is unclear if she would have read it; the Clinton campaign did not address questions about the cable.

What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on
June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian
government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake. But
first, Uranium One had to get the American government to sign off on the deal.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer

$2.35 million

Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds

$1 million to $5 million

Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes

$250,000 to $500,000

Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer

$50,000 to $100,000

Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd.

Donating portion of profits

Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

The Power to Say No

When a company controlled by the Chinese government sought a 51 percent stake in a tiny Nevada gold mining operation in 2009, it set off a
secretive review process in Washington, where officials raised concerns primarily about the mine's proximity to a military installation,
but also about the potential for minerals at the site, including uranium, to come under Chinese control. The officials killed the deal.

Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of
the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the
secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed
important to national security.

The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and
Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American
nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.

Instead, it concerned American dependence on foreign uranium sources. While the United States gets one-fifth of its electrical power from
nuclear plants, it produces only around 20 percent of the uranium it needs, and most plants have only 18 to 36 months of reserves,
according to Marin Katusa, author of "The Colder War: How the Global Energy Trade Slipped From America's Grasp."

"The Russians are easily winning the uranium war, and nobody's talking about it," said Mr. Katusa, who explores the implications of the
Uranium One deal in his book. "It's not just a domestic issue but a foreign policy issue, too."

When ARMZ, an arm of Rosatom, took its first 17 percent stake in Uranium One in 2009, the two parties signed an agreement, found in
securities filings, to seek the foreign investment committee's review. But it was the 2010 deal, giving the Russians a controlling 51
percent stake, that set off alarm bells. Four members of the House of Representatives signed a letter expressing concern. Two more began
pushing legislation to kill the deal.

Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming, where Uranium One's largest American operation was, wrote to President Obama, saying the
deal "would give the Russian government control over a sizable portion of America's uranium production capacity."

President Putin during a meeting with Rosatomandrsquo's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko, in December 2007.

"Equally alarming," Mr. Barrasso added, "this sale gives ARMZ a significant stake in uranium mines in Kazakhstan."

Uranium One's shareholders were also alarmed, and were "afraid of Rosatom as a Russian state giant," Sergei Novikov, a company spokesman,
recalled in an interview. He said Rosatom's chief, Mr. Kiriyenko, sought to reassure Uranium One investors, promising that Rosatom would
not break up the company and would keep the same management, including Mr. Telfer, the chairman. Another Rosatom official said publicly
that it did not intend to increase its investment beyond 51 percent, and that it envisioned keeping Uranium One a public company

American nuclear officials, too, seemed eager to assuage fears. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission wrote to Mr. Barrasso assuring him that
American uranium would be preserved for domestic use, regardless of who owned it.

"In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license
authorizing the export of uranium for use as reactor fuel," the letter said.

Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment
committee, including Mrs. Clinton - whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

Undisclosed Donations

Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding
placing limits on the activities of her husband's foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign
government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

To judge from those disclosures - which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts - the only Uranium One official to
give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in
2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

Uranium Oneandrsquo's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.

Uranium One's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.Credit... Doug
Mills/The New York Times

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions
of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With
the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy
to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and
$500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium
One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra's charitable endeavors with Mr.
Clinton. "Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years," he said.

The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a
response.

Mr. Telfer's undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a
constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One's most valuable asset: the
Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: "It wasn't the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The
goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good," Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.

Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its
deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee - among Mr. Clinton's highest - was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that
has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

Renaissance Capital analysts talked up Uranium One's stock, assigning it a "buy" rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it
was "the best play" in the uranium markets. In addition, Renaissance Capital turned up that same year as a major donor, along with Mr.
Giustra and several companies linked to Uranium One or UrAsia, to a small medical charity in Colorado run by a friend of Mr. Giustra's. In
a newsletter to supporters, the friend credited Mr. Giustra with helping get donations from "businesses around the world."

John Christensen sold the mining rights on his ranch in Wyoming to Uranium One.

Renaissance Capital would not comment on the genesis of Mr. Clinton's speech to an audience that included leading Russian officials, or on
whether it was connected to the Rosatom deal. According to a Russian government news service, Mr. Putin personally thanked Mr. Clinton for
speaking.

A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation's fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that
for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: "Why do you think they are doing it - because they love them?" But
whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the
United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.

Diplomatic Considerations

If doing business with Rosatom was good for those in the Uranium One deal, engaging with Russia was also a priority of the incoming Obama
administration, which was hoping for a new era of cooperation as Mr. Putin relinquished the presidency - if only for a term - to Dmitri A.
Medvedev.

"The assumption was we could engage Russia to further core U.S. national security interests," said Mr. McFaul, the former ambassador.

It started out well. The two countries made progress on nuclear proliferation issues, and expanded use of Russian territory to resupply
American forces in Afghanistan. Keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon was among the United States' top priorities, and in June 2010
Russia signed off on a United Nations resolution imposing tough new sanctions on that country.

Two months later, the deal giving ARMZ a controlling stake in Uranium One was submitted to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
United States for review. Because of the secrecy surrounding the process, it is hard to know whether the participants weighed the desire to
improve bilateral relations against the potential risks of allowing the Russian government control over the biggest uranium producer in the
United States. The deal was ultimately approved in October, following what two people involved in securing the approval said had been a
relatively smooth process.

Not all of the committee's decisions are personally debated by the agency heads themselves; in less controversial cases, deputy or
assistant secretaries may sign off. But experts and former committee members say Russia's interest in Uranium One and its American uranium
reserves seemed to warrant attention at the highest levels.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

"This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important," said Richard Russell, who
served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. "When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this
to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three."

And Mrs. Clinton brought a reputation for hawkishness to the process; as a senator, she was a vocal critic of the committee's approval of a
deal that would have transferred the management of major American seaports to a company based in the United Arab Emirates, and as a
presidential candidate she had advocated legislation to strengthen the process.

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary's level. He would not comment
on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to
the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez
said, "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."

Mr. Fallon also noted that if any agency had raised national security concerns about the Uranium One deal, it could have taken them
directly to the president.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department's director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction - or the
extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in
hindsight.

"Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly," she said. "But it wasn't the adversary it is today."

That renewed adversarial relationship has raised concerns about European dependency on Russian energy resources, including nuclear fuel.
The unease reaches beyond diplomatic circles. In Wyoming, where Uranium One equipment is scattered across his 35,000-acre ranch, John
Christensen is frustrated that repeated changes in corporate ownership over the years led to French, South African, Canadian and, finally,
Russian control over mining rights on his property.

"I hate to see a foreign government own mining rights here in the United States," he said. "I don't think that should happen."

Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without
Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license - which they do not have - yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and
trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an
export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that
"to the best of our knowledge" most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One
spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn,
nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.

The "no export" assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite
pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom's subsidiary,
ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:27:49 -0700, Rudy Canoza, forever the mental and physical midget, who was *NEVER* a three sport letterman, like me,
and who was *NEVER* a bouncer, like me, and who was *NEVER* an assistant golf pro, like me, and who was *NEVER* a lifeguard, like me, and
who *NEVER* dunked a basketball, like me, and has *NEVER* laid as many women as me, says...
Post by Skeeter
Post by Alan
The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
Bullshit.
Nope. No uranium went to Russia. Instead, Russian uranium came to the U.S.
THAT does not matter.

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Hitlery was involved. That's all we need to know.

Snopes even questioned it by quoting the New York Times:

"According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the decision."

"May not" means "could have".

LOL... Ski Bunny used Politifact for this quote, but stopped short of what else they said.

The Clinton Foundation Donations

It IS accurate that nine individuals related to the company donated to the Clinton Foundation but the bulk of the money -$131 million -
came from Giustra.

And Giustra said he sold off his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and about 18 months before Clinton
became secretary of state.

(and THIS is what Ski Bunny left out)

"WE COULDN'T INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY GIUSTRA'S CLAIM..."

Hillary Clinton is a traitor to the Untied States.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is, arguably, the biggest traitor of them all. According to the director of the FBI in testimony before Congress,
while she was secretary of state, she sent and received classified government documents on her unsecured personal email server she had in
her private residence, then lied about it repeatedly. She is therefore guilty of putting U.S. national security at risk.

The Rosenbergs were convicted of "conspiring" to sell secrets to the Soviets, but what Ms. Clinton did was put American secrets out there
for anyone who wanted to hack her email server and obtain all that information.

This email server business is just one small example of Ms. Clinton's history of lies, corruption, scandals and ineptitude. That
ineptitude, by the way, was directly responsible for the death of four Americans in Benghazi, after which we heard more lies. In my
opinion, Ms. Clinton makes the Rosenbergs look like members of a church choir and makes Benedict Arnold look like a Boy Scout.

And she wants to be president and commander in chief? Dear God, please forbid it.

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The URANIUM is NOT the story.

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin's latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its
precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: "Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World."

The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining
stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world's largest uranium producers and brought
Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a
woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors
of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company
that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium
production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal
had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that
eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of
cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35
million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White
House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

Frank Giustra, right, a mining financier, has donated $31.3 million to the foundation run by former President Bill Clinton, left.

At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company's
assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

The New York Times' examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and
securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were
unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book "Clinton Cash."
Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own
reporting.

Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical
challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million
in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to
benefit the foundation's donors.

In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, said no one "has ever produced a shred of evidence
supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton
Foundation." He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that,
in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. "To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton,
exerted undue influence in the U.S. government's review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless," he added.

American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In
the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding
concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like
Russia's, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs.
Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state.

Either way, the Uranium One deal highlights the limits of such prohibitions. The foundation will continue to accept contributions from
foreign sources whose interests, like Uranium One's, may overlap with those of foreign governments, some of which may be at odds with the
United States.

When the Uranium One deal was approved, the geopolitical backdrop was far different from today's. The Obama administration was seeking to
"reset" strained relations with Russia. The deal was strategically important to Mr. Putin, who shortly after the Americans gave their
blessing sat down for a staged interview with Rosatom's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko. "Few could have imagined in the past that we
would own 20 percent of U.S. reserves," Mr. Kiriyenko told Mr. Putin.

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover

Uranium investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's office was involved in
approving a Russian bid for mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States.

Now, after Russia's annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, the Moscow-Washington relationship is devolving toward Cold War levels,
a point several experts made in evaluating a deal so beneficial to Mr. Putin, a man known to use energy resources to project power around
the world.

"Should we be concerned? Absolutely," said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he
had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. "Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don't. We don't
want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate."

A Seat at the Table

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank
Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra's private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan
A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head an
international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights record by,
among others, his wife, then a senator.

Within days of the visit, Mr. Giustra's fledgling company, UrAsia Energy Ltd., signed a preliminary deal giving it stakes in three uranium
mines controlled by the state-run uranium agency Kazatomprom.

If the Kazakh deal was a major victory, UrAsia did not wait long before resuming the hunt. In 2007, it merged with Uranium One, a South
African company with assets in Africa and Australia, in what was described as a $3.5 billion transaction. The new company, which kept the
Uranium One name, was controlled by UrAsia investors including Ian Telfer, a Canadian who became chairman. Through a spokeswoman, Mr.
Giustra, whose personal stake in the deal was estimated at about $45 million, said he sold his stake in 2007.

Soon, Uranium One began to snap up companies with assets in the United States. In April 2007, it announced the purchase of a uranium mill
in Utah and more than 38,000 acres of uranium exploration properties in four Western states, followed quickly by the acquisition of the
Energy Metals Corporation and its uranium holdings in Wyoming, Texas and Utah. That deal made clear that Uranium One was intent on becoming
"a powerhouse in the United States uranium sector with the potential to become the domestic supplier of choice for U.S. utilities," the
company declared.

Ian Telfer was chairman of Uranium One and made large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Still, the company's story was hardly front-page news in the United States - until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton's failed
presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip's link to Mr. Giustra's Kazakhstan mining deal. It also
reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton's foundation.

(In a statement issued after this article appeared online, Mr. Giustra said he was "extremely proud" of his charitable work with Mr.
Clinton, and he urged the media to focus on poverty, health care and "the real challenges of the world.")

Though the 2008 article quoted the former head of Kazatomprom, Moukhtar Dzhakishev, as saying that the deal required government approval
and was discussed at a dinner with the president, Mr. Giustra insisted that it was a private transaction, with no need for Mr. Clinton's
influence with Kazakh officials. He described his relationship with Mr. Clinton as motivated solely by a shared interest in philanthropy.

As if to underscore the point, five months later Mr. Giustra held a fund-raiser for the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a
project aimed at fostering progressive environmental and labor practices in the natural resources industry, to which he had pledged $100
million. The star-studded gala, at a conference center in Toronto, featured performances by Elton John and Shakira and celebrities like Tom
Cruise, John Travolta and Robin Williams encouraging contributions from the many so-called F.O.F.s - Friends of Frank - in attendance,
among them Mr. Telfer. In all, the evening generated $16 million in pledges, according to an article in The Globe and Mail.

"None of this would have been possible if Frank Giustra didn't have a remarkable combination of caring and modesty, of vision and energy
and iron determination," Mr. Clinton told those gathered, adding: "I love this guy, and you should, too."

But what had been a string of successes was about to hit a speed bump.

Arrest and Progress

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One's stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr.
Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies,
including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra's UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One.

Publicly, the company tried to reassure shareholders. Its chief executive, Jean Nortier, issued a confident statement calling the situation
a "complete misunderstanding." He also contradicted Mr. Giustra's contention that the uranium deal had not required government blessing.
"When you do a transaction in Kazakhstan, you need the government's approval," he said, adding that UrAsia had indeed received that
approval.

Bill Clinton met with Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow in 2010.

But privately, Uranium One officials were worried they could lose their joint mining ventures. American diplomatic cables made public by
WikiLeaks also reflect concerns that Mr. Dzhakishev's arrest was part of a Russian power play for control of Kazakh uranium assets.

At the time, Russia was already eying a stake in Uranium One, Rosatom company documents show. Rosatom officials say they were seeking to
acquire mines around the world because Russia lacks sufficient domestic reserves to meet its own industry needs.

It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian
diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.

"We want more than a statement to the press," Paul Clarke, a Uranium One executive vice president, told the embassy's energy officer on
June 10, the officer reported in a cable. "That is simply chitchat." What the company needed, Mr. Clarke said, was official written
confirmation that the licenses were valid.

The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton. Though the Clarke cable was copied to her, it was given
wide circulation, and it is unclear if she would have read it; the Clinton campaign did not address questions about the cable.

What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on
June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian
government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake. But
first, Uranium One had to get the American government to sign off on the deal.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer

$2.35 million

Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds

$1 million to $5 million

Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes

$250,000 to $500,000

Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer

$50,000 to $100,000

Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd.

Donating portion of profits

Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

The Power to Say No

When a company controlled by the Chinese government sought a 51 percent stake in a tiny Nevada gold mining operation in 2009, it set off a
secretive review process in Washington, where officials raised concerns primarily about the mine's proximity to a military installation,
but also about the potential for minerals at the site, including uranium, to come under Chinese control. The officials killed the deal.

Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of
the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the
secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed
important to national security.

The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and
Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American
nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.

Instead, it concerned American dependence on foreign uranium sources. While the United States gets one-fifth of its electrical power from
nuclear plants, it produces only around 20 percent of the uranium it needs, and most plants have only 18 to 36 months of reserves,
according to Marin Katusa, author of "The Colder War: How the Global Energy Trade Slipped From America's Grasp."

"The Russians are easily winning the uranium war, and nobody's talking about it," said Mr. Katusa, who explores the implications of the
Uranium One deal in his book. "It's not just a domestic issue but a foreign policy issue, too."

When ARMZ, an arm of Rosatom, took its first 17 percent stake in Uranium One in 2009, the two parties signed an agreement, found in
securities filings, to seek the foreign investment committee's review. But it was the 2010 deal, giving the Russians a controlling 51
percent stake, that set off alarm bells. Four members of the House of Representatives signed a letter expressing concern. Two more began
pushing legislation to kill the deal.

Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming, where Uranium One's largest American operation was, wrote to President Obama, saying the
deal "would give the Russian government control over a sizable portion of America's uranium production capacity."

President Putin during a meeting with Rosatomandrsquo's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko, in December 2007.

"Equally alarming," Mr. Barrasso added, "this sale gives ARMZ a significant stake in uranium mines in Kazakhstan."

Uranium One's shareholders were also alarmed, and were "afraid of Rosatom as a Russian state giant," Sergei Novikov, a company spokesman,
recalled in an interview. He said Rosatom's chief, Mr. Kiriyenko, sought to reassure Uranium One investors, promising that Rosatom would
not break up the company and would keep the same management, including Mr. Telfer, the chairman. Another Rosatom official said publicly
that it did not intend to increase its investment beyond 51 percent, and that it envisioned keeping Uranium One a public company

American nuclear officials, too, seemed eager to assuage fears. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission wrote to Mr. Barrasso assuring him that
American uranium would be preserved for domestic use, regardless of who owned it.

"In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license
authorizing the export of uranium for use as reactor fuel," the letter said.

Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment
committee, including Mrs. Clinton - whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

Undisclosed Donations

Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding
placing limits on the activities of her husband's foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign
government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

To judge from those disclosures - which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts - the only Uranium One official to
give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in
2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

Uranium Oneandrsquo's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.

Uranium One's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.Credit... Doug
Mills/The New York Times

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions
of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With
the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy
to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and
$500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium
One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra's charitable endeavors with Mr.
Clinton. "Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years," he said.

The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a
response.

Mr. Telfer's undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a
constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One's most valuable asset: the
Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: "It wasn't the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The
goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good," Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.

Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its
deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee - among Mr. Clinton's highest - was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that
has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

Renaissance Capital analysts talked up Uranium One's stock, assigning it a "buy" rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it
was "the best play" in the uranium markets. In addition, Renaissance Capital turned up that same year as a major donor, along with Mr.
Giustra and several companies linked to Uranium One or UrAsia, to a small medical charity in Colorado run by a friend of Mr. Giustra's. In
a newsletter to supporters, the friend credited Mr. Giustra with helping get donations from "businesses around the world."

John Christensen sold the mining rights on his ranch in Wyoming to Uranium One.

Renaissance Capital would not comment on the genesis of Mr. Clinton's speech to an audience that included leading Russian officials, or on
whether it was connected to the Rosatom deal. According to a Russian government news service, Mr. Putin personally thanked Mr. Clinton for
speaking.

A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation's fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that
for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: "Why do you think they are doing it - because they love them?" But
whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the
United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.

Diplomatic Considerations

If doing business with Rosatom was good for those in the Uranium One deal, engaging with Russia was also a priority of the incoming Obama
administration, which was hoping for a new era of cooperation as Mr. Putin relinquished the presidency - if only for a term - to Dmitri A.
Medvedev.

"The assumption was we could engage Russia to further core U.S. national security interests," said Mr. McFaul, the former ambassador.

It started out well. The two countries made progress on nuclear proliferation issues, and expanded use of Russian territory to resupply
American forces in Afghanistan. Keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon was among the United States' top priorities, and in June 2010
Russia signed off on a United Nations resolution imposing tough new sanctions on that country.

Two months later, the deal giving ARMZ a controlling stake in Uranium One was submitted to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
United States for review. Because of the secrecy surrounding the process, it is hard to know whether the participants weighed the desire to
improve bilateral relations against the potential risks of allowing the Russian government control over the biggest uranium producer in the
United States. The deal was ultimately approved in October, following what two people involved in securing the approval said had been a
relatively smooth process.

Not all of the committee's decisions are personally debated by the agency heads themselves; in less controversial cases, deputy or
assistant secretaries may sign off. But experts and former committee members say Russia's interest in Uranium One and its American uranium
reserves seemed to warrant attention at the highest levels.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

"This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important," said Richard Russell, who
served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. "When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this
to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three."

And Mrs. Clinton brought a reputation for hawkishness to the process; as a senator, she was a vocal critic of the committee's approval of a
deal that would have transferred the management of major American seaports to a company based in the United Arab Emirates, and as a
presidential candidate she had advocated legislation to strengthen the process.

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary's level. He would not comment
on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to
the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez
said, "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."

Mr. Fallon also noted that if any agency had raised national security concerns about the Uranium One deal, it could have taken them
directly to the president.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department's director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction - or the
extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in
hindsight.

"Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly," she said. "But it wasn't the adversary it is today."

That renewed adversarial relationship has raised concerns about European dependency on Russian energy resources, including nuclear fuel.
The unease reaches beyond diplomatic circles. In Wyoming, where Uranium One equipment is scattered across his 35,000-acre ranch, John
Christensen is frustrated that repeated changes in corporate ownership over the years led to French, South African, Canadian and, finally,
Russian control over mining rights on his property.

"I hate to see a foreign government own mining rights here in the United States," he said. "I don't think that should happen."

Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without
Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license - which they do not have - yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and
trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an
export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that
"to the best of our knowledge" most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One
spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn,
nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.

The "no export" assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite
pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom's subsidiary,
ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.


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7 Reasons Narcissists Rarely Grow Emotionally

Narcissists Are Notorious For Not Changing. Here's Why They Get Stuck

Key points

Narcissistic behavior often begins in childhood as a form of self-defense against feeling unloved.

The resulting self-protective patterns can block narcissists from personal growth.

Narcissistic personalities can change, but they have to be open to self-reflection and criticism and not get stuck in comforting delusions.

One of the most frustrating things about narcissistic personalities is their resistance to growth. Throughout life, we all-including
narcissists-have the capacity to develop ourselves. So why do they rarely evolve?

Narcissistic behavior begins as self-protection from the shame and low self-esteem that result from insecure attachment with parents.
Children who are developing a narcissistic personality will adopt defensive behavior patterns to shield themselves from negative feedback,
both from others and from their own thoughts and feelings.

7 Reasons Narcissists Rarely Grow Emotionally

Keeping their negative self-concept out of consciousness (repressed) and compensating with self-aggrandizing superiority is meant as a
failsafe from pain, but it's a deal with the devil that also blocks them from personal growth.


1. They avoid self-reflection.

A hallmark of emotional maturity is the habit of self-reflection. We check in with ourselves about how we're feeling, how others are
responding to us, and what we're doing that is successful and not successful. Self-reflection is an act of self-agency that enables us to
learn from our experiences and better adapt to our circumstances.

Narcissists' refusal to self-reflect allows them to repress their shame and avoid looking at how their grandiosity affects others, but it
also prevents them from developing self-awareness and learning from their mistakes. This is why they tend to have a simplistic view of
their childhoods, lack insight into their relationships, and become enraged when confronted with their own behavior. Narcissists are
strangers to themselves, and they want to keep it that way.


2. They distort reality.

Along with avoiding introspection, narcissistic people hold facts at a distance and substitute lies and distortions that conform to their
inflated self-beliefs. From denying inconvenient truths to having delusions of superiority and entitlement, to rationalizing neglect and
abuse, to gaslighting those around them, narcissists continuously attempt to elude reality, making objectivity, fairness, and
accountability impossible. Clinging to magical thinking, they fail to engage with the truths that enable us to know ourselves and others.


3. They project negatives.

Another self-protective mechanism of narcissistic people is projecting their own negative thoughts, feelings, and actions onto others. Like
avoiding introspection and denying reality, externalizing what they wish to disown in themselves onto people around them allows them to
dump uncomfortable emotions, such as aggression and jealousy, while giving them free rein to sidestep consequences, repudiate
responsibility, and shift blame. Narcissists' compulsion to project makes them reckless, cruel, and impervious to the learning that only
comes from honest self-assessment and accountability.


4. They see themselves as special or perfect.

Absurd as it sounds, narcissists have a grandiose special or perfect delusion meant to insulate them from any possibility of flaw or fault.
By telling themselves they are never wrong, deserve special treatment, and should be exempt from rules and consequences, they rationalize
never having to question themselves or answer to others. Even covert narcissists, who may not appear grandiose, harbor these underlying
beliefs. As they see it, change is something others need to do, never themselves.


5. They have a victim narrative.

Like the special or perfect defense, feeling victimized is a common mindset of narcissistic people, particularly more passive-aggressive
types. Adopting the stance that they are always the wronged party when they don't get what they want is a loophole that allows them to
avoid accountability and blame others. Playing the victim violin is also a strategy to get attention, sympathy, and caretaking from others.
The problem with framing experience as constantly unjust is the lack of agency inherent in seeing themselves as perpetual victims helpless
to change their circumstances.


6. They don't empathize.

Narcissists' lack of empathy is perhaps their greatest deficit and obstacle to growth. Not connecting emotionally with the experience or
feeling states of others stems from their inner alienation and lack of compassion for the vulnerable child self. Standing at a distance
from their own humanity is meant to buffer them from vulnerability, but it keeps them fear-driven, rigid, and isolated.


7. Others shield them from consequences.

Narcissistic people are emotionally dysregulated, ruthlessly self-serving, and profoundly traumatizing to others, particularly their family
members. Many have been shielded from consequences in childhood (while also being emotionally deprived). As adults, they seek out partners
who similarly accept and enable their delusions and abusive behavior, and they often align with narcissistic professions and institutions
that reinforce their entitlement.
The narcissistic trap

Like the rest of us, people who are narcissistic can change and evolve. But as long as they shun self-reflection, distort reality, project
negatives, self-aggrandize, play the victim, and disconnect emotionally while never being held to account by the people around them, they
will not get the traction they need to develop moral responsibility and healthier ways of coping. What begins as a childhood defense
against feelings of unlovability becomes a self-fulfilling trap that makes it impossible to experience trust and loving connection with the
self or others.
AlleyCat
2024-10-29 03:57:07 UTC
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The sale of any actual URANIUM to Russia.
THAT does not matter.

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Hey Alan Baker. You trolling fucking cunt.
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texas gate
Dec 27, 2023, 8:34:49?PM

Nothing of substance to post in the off season?

You fucking simple, piece of shit, useless, cock sucker.

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Jan 3, 2024, 2:24:19?PM

You mean 'Dave Royal' ?

LMAO!
Post by Alan
"Dave Royal is Alan Baker and he lives on Mount Stupid"
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
There were others but that one had a few to start with for now.
'Andy Burnelli' who started that thread has a familiar style! And it
doesn't mention DroidEdit or a couple of others I've tried over the years
and not preferred such as Simple Text Editor.
This is my _last_ post to "Dave Royal" as he will be plonked (along with
his other nym of Alan Baker and all the other Alan Baker nyms out there).
OT. Please ignore if you care about the subject matter of this thread.
The only _relevant_ information in the post below are these screenshots.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
Now back to the "Dave Royal" (aka Alan Baker) response...
<https://dingdong887180022.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/dunning-kruger.jpg>
Some people try to add value in every post.
Others subtract it in every post.
In decades on Usenet, I've only plonked a handful of people who _can't_ add
value such as Snit, Dustin Cook, Sn!pe, and every nym of Alan Baker (of
which Dave Royal is but one - where there are so many I can't count them).
The nyms are OK, as with my newsreader setup, I don't even see who posts
unless I look - which is kind of like Trump words - where I don't look up
what he said unless someone tells me and I say "did he really say that?).
Point being, nothing from Dave Royal adds value (as he's Alan Baker).
In fact, Dave Royal _subtracts_ vale (aka Alan Baker) in every post.
Even if he's not Alan Baker - he has the same IQ of about 40 (which is why
he loudly proclaims to the world that he is an utter genius when he finally
figures out what was never hidden from anyone - except from dumb robots).
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://pastorpaul.files.wordpress.com/2022/12/dunning-kruger-effect.jpg>
Jesus Christ. Every time these low-IQ iKooks have nothing to say, they say
it. Dave Royal _is_ Alan Baker who _is_ Jack_Of_All_Trades_Master_of_None
childish kindergarten attempts at "outing" what they think they're geniuses
at, but which only proves they live squarely atop the D-K Mount Stupid.
*These strange low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks live squarely atop Mount Stupid*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/9eiX08J_g_w>
If it takes an _adult_ more than five seconds to figure out my posts, then
they're idiots because the only purpose of the random headers is privacy
from robots - which these ignorant uneducated iKooks can't comprehend.
For God's sake, when I post a thousand screenshots to the Windows newsgroup
that have the _exact same screen_, how long can it take an idiot like you?
<https://i.postimg.cc/fT2J40RD/windows-cascade-menu.jpg> Windows browsers
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5K0RL7H/taskbarmenu01.jpg> No cortana search icon
<https://i.postimg.cc/qvJDMQcq/taskbarmenu02.jpg> Menus are just folders
<https://i.postimg.cc/cCwdrZsQ/taskbarmenu03.jpg> Menu comments displayed
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FHWs4p1/taskbarmenu04.jpg> Comments can be changed
<https://i.postimg.cc/SNdjMVZd/taskbarmenu05.jpg> (deleted)
<https://i.postimg.cc/yY74z87s/taskbarmenu06.jpg> Hierarchies should match
<https://i.postimg.cc/hjjVXkq5/taskbarmenu07.jpg> One web browser per task
<https://i.postimg.cc/5N46Mpdm/taskbarmenu08.jpg> Need to organize os
How many of these does a normal person take to figure it out?
One right? Two maybe?
But iKooks? It takes them a thousand. Two thousand. Three thousand.
And then they declare that they're a "genius" for figuring it out.
When it was never hidden.
Who is that stupid?
Hell, I post a thousand screenshots to the Android newsgroup like this,
and it takes more than a thousand for you to claim you're a genius?
<https://i.postimg.cc/nVWkJT35/text01.jpg> Edit plain text files
<https://i.postimg.cc/j5dkpx5j/text02.jpg> Simple Text Editor shows up
<https://i.postimg.cc/0jzXNV7R/text03.jpg> Shortcut can be created
<https://i.postimg.cc/4yjLHp1K/text04.jpg> Shortcut opens as a text file
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDX6Rvzy/text05.jpg> Sometimes it does NOT show up
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6rwJFyy/text06.jpg> Sometimes it can't SAVE it
<https://i.postimg.cc/KzbPK6vB/text07.jpg> Simple Text Editor Permissions
<https://i.postimg.cc/50mw8s6G/text08.jpg> WriterP Permissions
I even post a thousand screenshots to the child-like Apple newsgroups,
where only the child-like Apple religious iKooks claim that they're a
genius for "finally figuring out" what was never hidden in the 1st place.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings
It doesn't occur to these fantastically ignorant iKooks that the
screenshots are the same, year after year, for thousands of them.
Who is _that_ stupid?
Nobody right?
Except the iKooks are.
They're so stupid, they don't even know how stupid they really are.
Post by AlleyCat
croy: there are loads of them. Just search playstore for 'text editor' and
try a few. Or FDroid or whatever you get apps from.
That's something only an idiot would say, which is why Alan Baker said it.
It means you don't know the first thing about Android text editors, Alan.
That's because you live on Mount Stupid.
--
It irks me that people this incredibly stupid, actually exist - which is
exactly why the Mount Stupid graphs exist - which fits the iKooks well.
<https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic>
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Jan 3, 2024, 3:31:33?PM
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Nothing of substance to post in the off season?
You fucking simple, piece of shit,
useless, cock sucker.
You mean 'Dave Royal' ?
LMAO!
And you believe this?

LOLOLOLLLOLOLOLOLOL!
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And you believe this?
Alan Baker, The Creepy Internet Stalker!

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Feb 13, 2008, 12:19:48AM


to
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.

They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.

Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that

stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm

Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.


Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.

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Feb 13, 2008, 2:47:35AM


to
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia. Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Post by Alan
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

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Feb 13, 2008, 2:55:05AM


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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by AlleyCat
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Yikes. If something happens to me please make sure the local, and
Canadian
police no that I was being stalked online by Alan Baker, A Macintosh
bench
tech from Vancouver, BC.
Please post this every newsgroup so your children know to avoid him and
thus
remove themselves from danger.
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2008, 2:59:07AM


to
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Yikes. He's spent the last 48 hours researching me.
Nope. I took about 45 minutes.
Post by Alan
They should make internet stalking illegal, I think Alan Baker has had
practice researching the little kiddies he likes to molest.
People whose lives are so public shouldn't say things that could get
them sued.
Hire a lawyer and sue away. Two people can do research you sick perv.
LOL

I'm sure 'two people" can. You: no.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Anyone thinking of hiring this internet stalker Alan Baker from
Vancouver,
BC should certainly give him a psych eval. As according to this website
people that
stalk others on the internet more times than not leads to pedophilia.
Alan
Baker is obviously bordering on or has become a child predator.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/internet-security090507.htm
Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...
www.irs.gov
Is that an invitation?
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.

But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.

:-)


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MuahMan
Feb 13, 2008, 3:05:31AM


to

"Alan Baker" <***@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-***@...


I believe that's a website.
I didn't invite you to call my grandparents at all hours of the night that
sure didn't stop you.
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Post by Alan
Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?
Do your parents know you harass elderly people at 1am and threaten to
kill
them on the phone?
Seriously get over your obsession with me. Find a hobby and quit spending
day and night worrrying, stalking, and threatening my family.
Keep bothering my family and you'll have another restraining order
against
you.
I've never bothered anyone, Pratt-fall. Not even you. I've just found
out a few facts.
But say, "Uncle" and I'll stop posting 'em.
You're not capable of bothering me. However when you bother my elderly
grandparents and get family involved you are crossing the line from online
weirdo, to complete psycho that needs help. You even stated it was fun
earlier finding personal information on people online. If your life really
that void. Perhaps instead of souring website after website trying to verify
if I have this motorcycle or that car, or that house you should get involved
in your own life. This sort of behavior has burned you before and left you
so you are unemployable and must work fixing computers for a living. You
should have learned your lesson the first time.
AlleyCat
2024-10-28 05:00:52 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:07:33 -0700, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
Reeeeealllllly?

Then, why did he build a company that later merged with Uranium One?

Anyways... that's a claim... prove it that he had "no motive".

Ahhh... never mind. Your OPINION means nothing here.

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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
Utterly false.
So, the New York Times let's in articles that are "utterly false"?

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Frank Giustra made his donations to the Clinton Foundation and sold his
interest in Uranium One 3 years before Rosatom purchased it.
So?

Show us what that MEANS.

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier FRANK
GIUSTRA ORCHESTRATED HIS FIRST BIG URANIUM DEAL, WITH MR. CLINTON AT HIS SIDE.

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The New York Times - By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin's latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its
precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: "Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World."

The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining
stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world's largest uranium producers and brought
Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a
woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors
of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company
that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium
production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal
had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that
eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of
cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35
million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White
House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

Frank Giustra, right, a mining financier, has donated $31.3 million to the foundation run by former President Bill Clinton, left.

At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company's
assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

The New York Times' examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and
securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were
unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book "Clinton Cash."
Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own
reporting.

Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical
challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million
in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to
benefit the foundation's donors.

In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, said no one "has ever produced a shred of evidence
supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton
Foundation." He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that,
in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. "To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton,
exerted undue influence in the U.S. government's review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless," he added.

American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In
the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding
concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like
Russia's, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs.
Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state.

Either way, the Uranium One deal highlights the limits of such prohibitions. The foundation will continue to accept contributions from
foreign sources whose interests, like Uranium One's, may overlap with those of foreign governments, some of which may be at odds with the
United States.

When the Uranium One deal was approved, the geopolitical backdrop was far different from today's. The Obama administration was seeking to
"reset" strained relations with Russia. The deal was strategically important to Mr. Putin, who shortly after the Americans gave their
blessing sat down for a staged interview with Rosatom's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko. "Few could have imagined in the past that we
would own 20 percent of U.S. reserves," Mr. Kiriyenko told Mr. Putin.

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover

Uranium investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's office was involved in
approving a Russian bid for mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States.

Now, after Russia's annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, the Moscow-Washington relationship is devolving toward Cold War levels,
a point several experts made in evaluating a deal so beneficial to Mr. Putin, a man known to use energy resources to project power around
the world.

"Should we be concerned? Absolutely," said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he
had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. "Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don't. We don't
want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate."

A Seat at the Table

The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank
Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra's private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan
A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head an
international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights record by,
among others, his wife, then a senator.

Within days of the visit, Mr. Giustra's fledgling company, UrAsia Energy Ltd., signed a preliminary deal giving it stakes in three uranium
mines controlled by the state-run uranium agency Kazatomprom.

If the Kazakh deal was a major victory, UrAsia did not wait long before resuming the hunt. In 2007, it merged with Uranium One, a South
African company with assets in Africa and Australia, in what was described as a $3.5 billion transaction. The new company, which kept the
Uranium One name, was controlled by UrAsia investors including Ian Telfer, a Canadian who became chairman. Through a spokeswoman, Mr.
Giustra, whose personal stake in the deal was estimated at about $45 million, said he sold his stake in 2007.

Soon, Uranium One began to snap up companies with assets in the United States. In April 2007, it announced the purchase of a uranium mill
in Utah and more than 38,000 acres of uranium exploration properties in four Western states, followed quickly by the acquisition of the
Energy Metals Corporation and its uranium holdings in Wyoming, Texas and Utah. That deal made clear that Uranium One was intent on becoming
"a powerhouse in the United States uranium sector with the potential to become the domestic supplier of choice for U.S. utilities," the
company declared.

Ian Telfer was chairman of Uranium One and made large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Still, the company's story was hardly front-page news in the United States - until early 2008, in the midst of Mrs. Clinton's failed
presidential campaign, when The Times published an article revealing the 2005 trip's link to Mr. Giustra's Kazakhstan mining deal. It also
reported that several months later, Mr. Giustra had donated $31.3 million to Mr. Clinton's foundation.

(In a statement issued after this article appeared online, Mr. Giustra said he was "extremely proud" of his charitable work with Mr.
Clinton, and he urged the media to focus on poverty, health care and 'the real challenges of the world.")

Though the 2008 article quoted the former head of Kazatomprom, Moukhtar Dzhakishev, as saying that the deal required government approval
and was discussed at a dinner with the president, Mr. Giustra insisted that it was a private transaction, with no need for Mr. Clinton's
influence with Kazakh officials. He described his relationship with Mr. Clinton as motivated solely by a shared interest in philanthropy.

As if to underscore the point, five months later Mr. Giustra held a fund-raiser for the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, a
project aimed at fostering progressive environmental and labor practices in the natural resources industry, to which he had pledged $100
million. The star-studded gala, at a conference center in Toronto, featured performances by Elton John and Shakira and celebrities like Tom
Cruise, John Travolta and Robin Williams encouraging contributions from the many so-called F.O.F.s - Friends of Frank - in attendance,
among them Mr. Telfer. In all, the evening generated $16 million in pledges, according to an article in The Globe and Mail.

"None of this would have been possible if Frank Giustra didn't have a remarkable combination of caring and modesty, of vision and energy
and iron determination," Mr. Clinton told those gathered, adding: "I love this guy, and you should, too."

But what had been a string of successes was about to hit a speed bump.

Arrest and Progress

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One's stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr.
Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies,
including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra's UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One.

Publicly, the company tried to reassure shareholders. Its chief executive, Jean Nortier, issued a confident statement calling the situation
a "complete misunderstanding." He also contradicted Mr. Giustra's contention that the uranium deal had not required government blessing.
"When you do a transaction in Kazakhstan, you need the government's approval," he said, adding that UrAsia had indeed received that
approval.

Bill Clinton met with Vladimir V. Putin in Moscow in 2010.

But privately, Uranium One officials were worried they could lose their joint mining ventures. American diplomatic cables made public by
WikiLeaks also reflect concerns that Mr. Dzhakishev's arrest was part of a Russian power play for control of Kazakh uranium assets.

At the time, Russia was already eying a stake in Uranium One, Rosatom company documents show. Rosatom officials say they were seeking to
acquire mines around the world because Russia lacks sufficient domestic reserves to meet its own industry needs.

It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian
diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.

"We want more than a statement to the press," Paul Clarke, a Uranium One executive vice president, told the embassy's energy officer on
June 10, the officer reported in a cable. "That is simply chitchat." What the company needed, Mr. Clarke said, was official written
confirmation that the licenses were valid.

The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton. Though the Clarke cable was copied to her, it was given
wide circulation, and it is unclear if she would have read it; the Clinton campaign did not address questions about the cable.

What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on
June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian
government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake. But
first, Uranium One had to get the American government to sign off on the deal.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

Frank Giustra

$31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more

He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer

$2.35 million

Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds

$1 million to $5 million

Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes

$250,000 to $500,000

Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer

$50,000 to $100,000

Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd.

Donating portion of profits

Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

The Power to Say No

When a company controlled by the Chinese government sought a 51 percent stake in a tiny Nevada gold mining operation in 2009, it set off a
secretive review process in Washington, where officials raised concerns primarily about the mine's proximity to a military installation,
but also about the potential for minerals at the site, including uranium, to come under Chinese control. The officials killed the deal.

Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of
the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the
secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed
important to national security.

The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and
Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American
nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.

Instead, it concerned American dependence on foreign uranium sources. While the United States gets one-fifth of its electrical power from
nuclear plants, it produces only around 20 percent of the uranium it needs, and most plants have only 18 to 36 months of reserves,
according to Marin Katusa, author of "The Colder War: How the Global Energy Trade Slipped From America's Grasp."

"The Russians are easily winning the uranium war, and nobody's talking about it," said Mr. Katusa, who explores the implications of the
Uranium One deal in his book. "It's not just a domestic issue but a foreign policy issue, too."

When ARMZ, an arm of Rosatom, took its first 17 percent stake in Uranium One in 2009, the two parties signed an agreement, found in
securities filings, to seek the foreign investment committee's review. But it was the 2010 deal, giving the Russians a controlling 51
percent stake, that set off alarm bells. Four members of the House of Representatives signed a letter expressing concern. Two more began
pushing legislation to kill the deal.

Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming, where Uranium One's largest American operation was, wrote to President Obama, saying the
deal "would give the Russian government control over a sizable portion of America's uranium production capacity."

President Putin during a meeting with Rosatomandrsquo's chief executive, Sergei Kiriyenko, in December 2007.

"Equally alarming," Mr. Barrasso added, 'this sale gives ARMZ a significant stake in uranium mines in Kazakhstan."

Uranium One's shareholders were also alarmed, and were "afraid of Rosatom as a Russian state giant," Sergei Novikov, a company spokesman,
recalled in an interview. He said Rosatom's chief, Mr. Kiriyenko, sought to reassure Uranium One investors, promising that Rosatom would
not break up the company and would keep the same management, including Mr. Telfer, the chairman. Another Rosatom official said publicly
that it did not intend to increase its investment beyond 51 percent, and that it envisioned keeping Uranium One a public company

American nuclear officials, too, seemed eager to assuage fears. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission wrote to Mr. Barrasso assuring him that
American uranium would be preserved for domestic use, regardless of who owned it.

"In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license
authorizing the export of uranium for use as reactor fuel," the letter said.

Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment
committee, including Mrs. Clinton - whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

Undisclosed Donations

Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding
placing limits on the activities of her husband's foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign
government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

To judge from those disclosures - which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts - the only Uranium One official to
give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in
2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

Uranium Oneandrsquo's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.

Uranium One's Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state.Credit... Doug
Mills/The New York Times

But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he donated millions
of dollars more, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With
the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy
to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and
$500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium
One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra's charitable endeavors with Mr.
Clinton. "Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years," he said.

The Clinton campaign left it to the foundation to reply to questions about the Fernwood donations; the foundation did not provide a
response.

Mr. Telfer's undisclosed donations came in addition to between $1.3 million and $5.6 million in contributions, which were reported, from a
constellation of people with ties to Uranium One or UrAsia, the company that originally acquired Uranium One's most valuable asset: the
Kazakh mines. Without those assets, the Russians would have had no interest in the deal: "It wasn't the goal to buy the Wyoming mines. The
goal was to acquire the Kazakh assets, which are very good," Mr. Novikov, the Rosatom spokesman, said in an interview.

Amid this influx of Uranium One-connected money, Mr. Clinton was invited to speak in Moscow in June 2010, the same month Rosatom struck its
deal for a majority stake in Uranium One.

The $500,000 fee - among Mr. Clinton's highest - was paid by Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin that
has invited world leaders, including Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, to speak at its investor conferences.

Renaissance Capital analysts talked up Uranium One's stock, assigning it a "buy" rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it
was 'the best play" in the uranium markets. In addition, Renaissance Capital turned up that same year as a major donor, along with Mr.
Giustra and several companies linked to Uranium One or UrAsia, to a small medical charity in Colorado run by a friend of Mr. Giustra's. In
a newsletter to supporters, the friend credited Mr. Giustra with helping get donations from "businesses around the world."

John Christensen sold the mining rights on his ranch in Wyoming to Uranium One.

Renaissance Capital would not comment on the genesis of Mr. Clinton's speech to an audience that included leading Russian officials, or on
whether it was connected to the Rosatom deal. According to a Russian government news service, Mr. Putin personally thanked Mr. Clinton for
speaking.

A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation's fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that
for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: "Why do you think they are doing it - because they love them?" But
whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the
United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.

Diplomatic Considerations

If doing business with Rosatom was good for those in the Uranium One deal, engaging with Russia was also a priority of the incoming Obama
administration, which was hoping for a new era of cooperation as Mr. Putin relinquished the presidency - if only for a term - to Dmitri A.
Medvedev.

"The assumption was we could engage Russia to further core U.S. national security interests," said Mr. McFaul, the former ambassador.

It started out well. The two countries made progress on nuclear proliferation issues, and expanded use of Russian territory to resupply
American forces in Afghanistan. Keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon was among the United States' top priorities, and in June 2010
Russia signed off on a United Nations resolution imposing tough new sanctions on that country.

Two months later, the deal giving ARMZ a controlling stake in Uranium One was submitted to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
United States for review. Because of the secrecy surrounding the process, it is hard to know whether the participants weighed the desire to
improve bilateral relations against the potential risks of allowing the Russian government control over the biggest uranium producer in the
United States. The deal was ultimately approved in October, following what two people involved in securing the approval said had been a
relatively smooth process.

Not all of the committee's decisions are personally debated by the agency heads themselves; in less controversial cases, deputy or
assistant secretaries may sign off. But experts and former committee members say Russia's interest in Uranium One and its American uranium
reserves seemed to warrant attention at the highest levels.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

Moukhtar Dzhakishev was arrested in 2009 while the chief of Kazatomprom.

"This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important," said Richard Russell, who
served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. "When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this
to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three."

And Mrs. Clinton brought a reputation for hawkishness to the process; as a senator, she was a vocal critic of the committee's approval of a
deal that would have transferred the management of major American seaports to a company based in the United Arab Emirates, and as a
presidential candidate she had advocated legislation to strengthen the process.

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary's level. He would not comment
on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to
the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez
said, "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."

Mr. Fallon also noted that if any agency had raised national security concerns about the Uranium One deal, it could have taken them
directly to the president.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department's director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction - or the
extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in
hindsight.

"Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly," she said. "But it wasn't the adversary it is today."

That renewed adversarial relationship has raised concerns about European dependency on Russian energy resources, including nuclear fuel.
The unease reaches beyond diplomatic circles. In Wyoming, where Uranium One equipment is scattered across his 35,000-acre ranch, John
Christensen is frustrated that repeated changes in corporate ownership over the years led to French, South African, Canadian and, finally,
Russian control over mining rights on his property.

"I hate to see a foreign government own mining rights here in the United States," he said. "I don't think that should happen."

Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without
Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license - which they do not have - yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and
trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an
export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that
'to the best of our knowledge" most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One
spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn,
nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.

The "no export" assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite
pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom's subsidiary,
ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:07:33 -0700, Alan says...
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Post by AlleyCat
Show us what that means, even what it means to you will be
acceptable.
It means that the person who donated the money had no motive to bribe
the Clintons.
Reeeeealllllly?
Yes. Really.
Post by AlleyCat
Then, why did he build a company that later merged with Uranium One?
That's not what happened. Another guy built UrAsia Energy. His name was
Telfer.
Post by AlleyCat
Anyways... that's a claim... prove it that he had "no motive".
He'd gotten out of the whole thing in 2007, so he had his money.

So where would the motive be?

It's up to you to prove there was a motive. Not for me to prove there
wasn't.

"proving a negative": look it up.
Post by AlleyCat
Ahhh... never mind. Your OPINION means nothing here.
You're now running away in advance!
AlleyCat
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"proving a negative": look it up.
Run away, faggot... run away!

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The Liberal Argument Outline

1. Use spun facts:

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add a liberal spin in a weak attempt to make bad news for liberals look good. These are easily debunked and exposed as lies by going to the
original source and posting the hard, cold facts with NO spin. Note: At this point, you have won. It should never take more than one post
to win an argument with a liberal. It is recommended that you claim victory and disengage at this point. If you continue, for fun or
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disciplined of us. The urge to rant must be resisted. Your rant will supply them with all the personal insight they need to spew hatred and
personal attacks. The best tactic here is to use the same tactic back at them. Keep in mind, a Liberal will never admit you have a valid
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statement of facts that established your victory are for entertainment and educational purposes. If you refuse to take the bait and demand
the topic remain on the original premise, they will eventually just go away and try to find someone else that will engage them on their
terms.

Now, go away, Snowflake.
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