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SON OF HARRY HOPE
2004-04-14 17:22:57 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez

April 14, 2004

Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."

But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.


"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.

From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?

The memo Gorelick wrote has now been declassified and offers a window
into the role she played in obstructing effective intelligence
gathering and sharing during the Clinton Administration. The memo grew
out of the Justice Department's prosecution of the 1993 terrorist
attack on the World Trade Center -- the act that apparently gave Osama
bin Laden the idea to try again in 2001.

"During the course of those investigations," wrote Gorelick in 1995,
"significant counterintelligence information has been developed
related to the activities and plans of agents of foreign powers
operating in this country and overseas, including previously unknown
connections between separate terrorist groups." But Gorelick wanted to
make sure that the left hand didn't know what the right was doing.
"(W)e believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions
that will clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from
the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These
procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any
risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA (Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act) is being used to avoid procedural
safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."

The problem, of course, is that the inability to share information is
precisely what hampered federal agents in tracking down the 9-11
hijackers. As Attorney General Ashcroft testified, this artificial
wall impeded the investigation into Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called
20th hijacker, who was arrested prior to the 9-11 attack, as well as
Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, both of whom were identified by
the CIA as suspected terrorists possibly in the United States prior to
their participation in those terrible attacks. "Because of the wall,
FBI Headquarters refused to allow criminal investigators who knew the
most about the most recent al Qaeda attack to join in the hunt for the
suspected terrorists," Ashcroft told the commission.

"At the time, a frustrated FBI investigator wrote Headquarters," said
Ashcroft, "quote, 'Whatever has happened to this -- someday someone
will die -- and wall or not -- the public will not understand why . .
.'"

Jamie Gorelick should step down from the commission at once. If she
fails to do so on her own, her fellow commissioners should ask her to
step aside. Her role as the architect of a policy that hampered the
work of federal agents to track down suspected terrorists makes her
unfit to pass judgment on the alleged failures of others.

HI MOM
A Brick in the Wall
2004-04-14 18:25:56 UTC
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I'm far more worried about a Supreme Court Justice that has no clue than
this one member's possible conflict and everyone else should be worried
about Scalia too.
dkat
2004-04-14 19:43:28 UTC
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You can look forward to at least 3 more Scalias if W Bush gets elected.
DKat
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I'm far more worried about a Supreme Court Justice that has no clue than
this one member's possible conflict and everyone else should be worried
about Scalia too.
David Galehouse
2004-04-14 19:02:05 UTC
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Post by A Brick in the Wall
I'm far more worried about a Supreme Court Justice that has no clue than
this one member's possible conflict and everyone else should be worried
about Scalia too.
Word.
Server 13
2004-04-14 19:36:52 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Z
2004-04-14 19:56:31 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys, like
GoreLick did for Cliton?

Z
black_ice
2004-04-14 20:34:36 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys, like
GoreLick did for Cliton?
Read her directive and if you can understand English, she did no such
thing. She directed that any counterterrorism information collected
during the criminal investigation be cleared with FBI management BEFORE
it was cleared to be shared with the CIA or other counterterrorism
agencies.

So the wall was there, but there was a big fucking door in it.
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William Gibson
Andy Weaks
2004-04-14 22:10:43 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys, like
GoreLick did for Cliton?
Read her directive and if you can understand English, she did no such
thing. She directed that any counterterrorism information collected
during the criminal investigation be cleared with FBI management BEFORE
it was cleared to be shared with the CIA or other counterterrorism
agencies.
So the wall was there, but there was a big fucking door in it.
ASHCROFT DISTORTS THE 'WALL':

According to Ashcroft the primary reason the Justice Department wasn't able to be
more effective prior to 9/11 was "the wall that segregated or separated criminal
investigators and intelligence agents." Ashcroft said that an interpretation of
the supposed separation in 1995 created "a system that was destined to fail."
But, in his May 9, 2001 testimony before Congress, Ashcroft had an entirely
different perspective. Ashcroft described a string of successes in the late-1990s
where the FBI prevented terrorist attacks, emphasizing that "had the law
enforcement efforts that led to the prevention of these acts not been successful,
the cumulative death toll would be substantial." Moreover, Ashcroft did nothing to
change the Justice Department's interpretation of the separation prior to 9/11. On
August 6, 2001 Ashcroft's deputy distributed a memo reminding agents that "the
1995 procedures remain in effect today." Moreover, as the commission notes, the
wall only "prohibited the prosecutors from 'directing or controlling' [an]
intelligence investigation." Thus, there was nothing preventing the FBI from
sharing critical information like the Phoenix Memo or the activities of Zacarias
Moussaui prior to 9/11 with anyone else in the intelligence community.
Agathena
2004-04-15 05:40:25 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys, like
GoreLick did for Cliton?
Read her directive and if you can understand English, she did no such
thing. She directed that any counterterrorism information collected
during the criminal investigation be cleared with FBI management BEFORE
it was cleared to be shared with the CIA or other counterterrorism
agencies.
So the wall was there, but there was a big fucking door in it.
According to Ashcroft the primary reason the Justice Department wasn't able to be
more effective prior to 9/11 was "the wall that segregated or separated criminal
investigators and intelligence agents." Ashcroft said that an interpretation of
the supposed separation in 1995 created "a system that was destined to fail."
But, in his May 9, 2001 testimony before Congress, Ashcroft had an entirely
different perspective. Ashcroft described a string of successes in the late-1990s
where the FBI prevented terrorist attacks, emphasizing that "had the law
enforcement efforts that led to the prevention of these acts not been successful,
the cumulative death toll would be substantial." Moreover, Ashcroft did nothing to
change the Justice Department's interpretation of the separation prior to 9/11. On
August 6, 2001 Ashcroft's deputy distributed a memo reminding agents that "the
1995 procedures remain in effect today." Moreover, as the commission notes, the
wall only "prohibited the prosecutors from 'directing or controlling' [an]
intelligence investigation." Thus, there was nothing preventing the FBI from
sharing critical information like the Phoenix Memo or the activities of Zacarias
Moussaui prior to 9/11 with anyone else in the intelligence community.
The actual bombshell was Ashcroft declassifying
the document (from 1995!) after the Administration
refused to declassify tons of documents for the
commission.

The other greater bombshell was that Ashcroft lied
three times in his testimony according to the
commission's records.

He did not give counter terrorism priority
before 9/11, he refused funding and he did
not list it on his list of threats to the
USA.
Z
2004-04-15 12:33:51 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys, like
GoreLick did for Cliton?
Read her directive and if you can understand English, she did no such
thing. She directed that any counterterrorism information collected
during the criminal investigation be cleared with FBI management BEFORE
it was cleared to be shared with the CIA or other counterterrorism
agencies.
So the wall was there, but there was a big fucking door in it.
According to Ashcroft the primary reason the Justice Department wasn't able to be
more effective prior to 9/11 was "the wall that segregated or separated criminal
investigators and intelligence agents." Ashcroft said that an interpretation of
the supposed separation in 1995 created "a system that was destined to fail."
But, in his May 9, 2001 testimony before Congress, Ashcroft had an entirely
different perspective. Ashcroft described a string of successes in the late-1990s
where the FBI prevented terrorist attacks, emphasizing that "had the law
enforcement efforts that led to the prevention of these acts not been successful,
the cumulative death toll would be substantial." Moreover, Ashcroft did nothing to
change the Justice Department's interpretation of the separation prior to 9/11. On
August 6, 2001 Ashcroft's deputy distributed a memo reminding agents that "the
1995 procedures remain in effect today." Moreover, as the commission notes, the
wall only "prohibited the prosecutors from 'directing or controlling' [an]
intelligence investigation." Thus, there was nothing preventing the FBI from
sharing critical information like the Phoenix Memo or the activities of Zacarias
Moussaui prior to 9/11 with anyone else in the intelligence community.
The actual bombshell was Ashcroft declassifying
the document (from 1995!) after the Administration
refused to declassify tons of documents for the
commission.
Why did Cliton have it classified as Secret?
Post by Agathena
The other greater bombshell was that Ashcroft lied
three times in his testimony according to the
commission's records.
What were they?
That would get him put in jail, we need to know what the lies were under
oath.
Post by Agathena
He did not give counter terrorism priority
before 9/11, he refused funding and he did
not list it on his list of threats to the
USA.
The Bush budget for counter terrorism was 5 times what the Cliton budget
was, according to Dick Clarke.

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black_ice
2004-04-15 15:15:13 UTC
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's
own.
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Post by Z
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"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author
is
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Post by Andy Weaks
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a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission
was
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
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Post by Z
Post by Server 13
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problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to
review.
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by black_ice
Post by Z
Post by Server 13
Post by SON OF HARRY HOPE
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys,
like
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by black_ice
Post by Z
GoreLick did for Cliton?
Read her directive and if you can understand English, she did no such
thing. She directed that any counterterrorism information collected
during the criminal investigation be cleared with FBI management BEFORE
it was cleared to be shared with the CIA or other counterterrorism
agencies.
So the wall was there, but there was a big fucking door in it.
According to Ashcroft the primary reason the Justice Department wasn't
able to be
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
more effective prior to 9/11 was "the wall that segregated or separated
criminal
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
investigators and intelligence agents." Ashcroft said that an
interpretation of
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
the supposed separation in 1995 created "a system that was destined to
fail."
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
But, in his May 9, 2001 testimony before Congress, Ashcroft had an
entirely
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
different perspective. Ashcroft described a string of successes in the
late-1990s
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
where the FBI prevented terrorist attacks, emphasizing that "had the
law
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
enforcement efforts that led to the prevention of these acts not been
successful,
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
the cumulative death toll would be substantial." Moreover, Ashcroft did
nothing to
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
change the Justice Department's interpretation of the separation prior
to 9/11. On
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
August 6, 2001 Ashcroft's deputy distributed a memo reminding agents
that "the
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
1995 procedures remain in effect today." Moreover, as the commission
notes, the
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
wall only "prohibited the prosecutors from 'directing or controlling'
[an]
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
intelligence investigation." Thus, there was nothing preventing the FBI
from
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
sharing critical information like the Phoenix Memo or the activities of
Zacarias
Post by Agathena
Post by Andy Weaks
Moussaui prior to 9/11 with anyone else in the intelligence community.
The actual bombshell was Ashcroft declassifying
the document (from 1995!) after the Administration
refused to declassify tons of documents for the
commission.
Why did Cliton have it classified as Secret?
Post by Agathena
The other greater bombshell was that Ashcroft lied
three times in his testimony according to the
commission's records.
What were they?
That would get him put in jail, we need to know what the lies were under
oath.
Post by Agathena
He did not give counter terrorism priority
before 9/11, he refused funding and he did
not list it on his list of threats to the
USA.
The Bush budget for counter terrorism was 5 times what the Cliton budget
was, according to Dick Clarke.
The Bush budget REQUEST was 5 times larger but it was never passed,
never implemented and no monies flowed through to the agencies
requesting the funds.

Ask your dad for $100,000 and then go spend it before he gives it to
you. List what you purchased below.
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William Gibson
Z
2004-04-15 12:30:41 UTC
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Post by Z
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Gorelick's conflict
Linda Chavez
April 14, 2004
Attorney General John Ashcroft came out swinging in testimony before
the 9-11 Commission on Tuesday. "In 1995, the Justice Department
embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on
the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995
Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian
barriers to communications between the law enforcement and
intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to
talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice
Department designed a system destined to fail."
But Ashcroft's bombshell wasn't his description of the Clinton
Administration's policies, which have been discussed by previous
witnesses. "Somebody built this wall," Ashcroft told the
commissioners, and then went on to accuse one of the commission's own.
"The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a
classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain
Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations,'" said
Ashcroft. "Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is
a member of this Commission." Ashcroft was referring to Jamie
Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton
Administration.
From the beginning, Gorelick's appointment to the 9/11 Commission was
problematic. She served not only as Attorney General Janet Reno's
deputy but also as general counsel at the Department of Defense, jobs
which put her at the heart of the Clinton Administration's
anti-terrorism efforts. Her actions, as well as those of her
superiors, are among the subjects this commission is tasked to review.
How can she be expected to be impartial when it comes to evaluating
her superiors, much less herself?
Ask Kean the same question. He was on Bush's team.
Did Dean cause the CIA & FBI not be able to share data on the bad guys, like
GoreLick did for Cliton?
Read her directive and if you can understand English, she did no such
thing. She directed that any counterterrorism information collected
during the criminal investigation be cleared with FBI management BEFORE
it was cleared to be shared with the CIA or other counterterrorism
agencies.
So the wall was there, but there was a big fucking door in it.
According to Ashcroft the primary reason the Justice Department wasn't able to be
more effective prior to 9/11 was "the wall that segregated or separated criminal
investigators and intelligence agents." Ashcroft said that an
interpretation of
Post by Andy Weaks
the supposed separation in 1995 created "a system that was destined to fail."
But, in his May 9, 2001 testimony before Congress, Ashcroft had an entirely
different perspective. Ashcroft described a string of successes in the late-1990s
where the FBI prevented terrorist attacks, emphasizing that "had the law
enforcement efforts that led to the prevention of these acts not been successful,
the cumulative death toll would be substantial." Moreover, Ashcroft did nothing to
change the Justice Department's interpretation of the separation prior to 9/11. On
August 6, 2001 Ashcroft's deputy distributed a memo reminding agents that "the
1995 procedures remain in effect today." Moreover, as the commission notes, the
wall only "prohibited the prosecutors from 'directing or controlling' [an]
intelligence investigation." Thus, there was nothing preventing the FBI from
sharing critical information like the Phoenix Memo or the activities of Zacarias
Moussaui prior to 9/11 with anyone else in the intelligence community.
The FBI & CIA were afraid to share info, they would be before a review board
& their career advancements would end if they shared.

That was the effect of the memo as explained to them in the Cliton
administration.

GoreLick now says she is wanting to find out what the intel failures were &
why it was not shared between agencies.

Hell, she can look at her memo, that Cliton wanted her to write, to find out
why the CIA & FBI did not share info about the 9-11 Muslim Terrorists..

She has a lot of questions to answer under oath before some fact finding
committe.

She should resign from the 9-11 commission & apolozise to the 9-11 families
& the American people.

Z
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