Discussion:
Tribute to Ronald Reagan
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Johnny B Jesus
2004-06-05 22:40:03 UTC
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This page is getting lots of hits today, it tells
the true story of an American hero:
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
<SmirkS>
2004-06-05 22:58:13 UTC
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Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher

"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House


"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father, The
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Celtic Warrior
2004-06-05 23:05:51 UTC
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Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the relevance
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to choose and
choose wisely?
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father, The
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Roger
2004-06-06 00:13:52 UTC
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Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the relevance
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to choose and
choose wisely?
Bush II.
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
T.Carr
2004-06-07 01:04:20 UTC
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Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the
relevance
Post by Celtic Warrior
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to choose
and
Post by Celtic Warrior
choose wisely?
Bush II.
Al Gore

T.Carr
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Roger
2004-06-07 07:31:42 UTC
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Post by T.Carr
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the
relevance
Post by Celtic Warrior
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to choose
and
Post by Celtic Warrior
choose wisely?
Bush II.
Al Gore
How many people has he killed for no reason?
Post by T.Carr
T.Carr
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
T.Carr
2004-06-07 21:09:33 UTC
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Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by T.Carr
Post by Roger
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the
relevance
Post by T.Carr
Post by Roger
Post by Celtic Warrior
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to
choose
and
Post by T.Carr
Post by Roger
Post by Celtic Warrior
choose wisely?
Bush II.
Al Gore
How many people has he killed for no reason?
In 2000 Bush had not "killed for no reason"

Gore supported the bombing in Serbia where the US was not
threatened. (or does your opinion change when a 'dem administration
does the killing?)

That election, like this one, will once again will be choosing the
lesser of the two evils



T.Carr
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by T.Carr
T.Carr
Post by Roger
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it
was
The
Post by T.Carr
Post by Roger
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her
father,
The
Post by T.Carr
Post by Roger
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Miles Long
2004-06-06 02:32:02 UTC
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Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the relevance
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to choose and
choose wisely?
Nope, just earlier evidence of the Dumbing Down of America,

Miles "I Told You So" Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Buck
2004-06-06 03:04:39 UTC
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Fusk Off!

PLONK!!
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the relevance
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to choose and
choose wisely?
Nope, just earlier evidence of the Dumbing Down of America,
Miles "I Told You So" Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Mr. Smith
2004-06-06 07:33:01 UTC
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Fusk off??
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Post by Buck
Fusk Off!
PLONK!!
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the
relevance
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to
choose
Post by Buck
and
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
choose wisely?
Nope, just earlier evidence of the Dumbing Down of America,
Miles "I Told You So" Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
<SmirkS>
2004-06-06 07:40:14 UTC
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Post by Mr. Smith
Fusk off??
it happens when one posts while drinking.
--
TheTruthHurts.
Jingo
2004-06-07 02:15:59 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 07:33:01 GMT, "Mr. Smith"
Post by Mr. Smith
Fusk off??
PLONK is the only thing that Buck can spell correctly.

Jingo

"Different people have different opinions about the life of Ronald Reagan
but,there's one think I think everyone agrees on...

America will be forever in his debt."

--Mark Perkel
http://www.bartcop.com/

***
Watch the 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Trailer:

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

***
See the Campaign Ad the Democrats Should
Play on All Channels 24/7:

http://www.blackstarsblog.com/bushin41point2.swf
Bugman
2004-06-06 15:57:11 UTC
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Post by Buck
Fusk Off!
Fusk you too bud.
Post by Buck
PLONK!!
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the
relevance
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to
choose
Post by Buck
and
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
choose wisely?
Nope, just earlier evidence of the Dumbing Down of America,
Miles "I Told You So" Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father,
The
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Buck
2004-06-06 16:26:02 UTC
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PLONK!!

(Thanks for reporting in!)
Post by Bugman
Post by Buck
Fusk Off!
Fusk you too bud.
Post by Buck
PLONK!!
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Yet he was reelected by a large landslide. Does that speak to the
relevance
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
of the comments below or the inability of the American people to
choose
Post by Buck
and
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
choose wisely?
Nope, just earlier evidence of the Dumbing Down of America,
Miles "I Told You So" Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it
was
Post by Buck
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
Post by <SmirkS>
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her
father,
Post by Buck
Post by Miles Long
Post by Celtic Warrior
The
Post by <SmirkS>
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
Buck
2004-06-05 23:19:28 UTC
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Up Yours!

PLONK!!
Post by <SmirkS>
Post by Johnny B Jesus
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was
like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The
Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the
parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father, The
Way I See It
--
TheTruthHurts.
SteveL
2004-06-05 23:47:15 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
Buck
2004-06-05 23:54:13 UTC
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And One More Time!

Thanks for reporting in.

PLONK!!
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
Roger
2004-06-06 00:14:25 UTC
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Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Buck
2004-06-06 02:31:12 UTC
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"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't true."

Ronald Wilson Reagan

PLONK!!
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Bobby Q. Polk
2004-06-06 03:37:03 UTC
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Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't true."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Did he say those *wise* words before or after his Las Vegas chimpanzee
show?

Yep, Mr. Reagan had a failed chimp show in Vegas. There's a serious
person.
Buck
2004-06-06 04:14:15 UTC
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You are a jackass of the first degree.

Thanks for volunteering.

PLONK!!
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't
true."
Post by Buck
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Did he say those *wise* words before or after his Las Vegas chimpanzee
show?
Yep, Mr. Reagan had a failed chimp show in Vegas. There's a serious
person.
Edw
2004-06-06 04:26:23 UTC
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Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't
true."
Post by Buck
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Did he say those *wise* words before or after his Las Vegas chimpanzee
show?
Yep, Mr. Reagan had a failed chimp show in Vegas. There's a serious
person.
OrionCA
2004-06-06 08:18:48 UTC
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Post by Edw
Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
<plonk>
--
Randi Rhodes, Air America radio host, suggesting
President Bush's assassination to a caller:


R: "Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full
of grace, God is with ou-" [Randi makes the sound of
a blast] ... Works for me."

TITLE 18 Sec. 871. - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency


(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for
conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any
post office or by any letter carrier any letter,
paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing
any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to
inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United
States, the President-elect, the Vice President or
other officer next in the order of succession to
the office of President of the United States, or
the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully
otherwise makes any such threat against the President,
President-elect, Vice President or other officer next
in the order of succession to the office of President,
or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Roger
2004-06-06 12:24:34 UTC
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Post by OrionCA
Post by Edw
Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
<plonk>
--
Randi Rhodes, Air America radio host, suggesting
R: "Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full
of grace, God is with ou-" [Randi makes the sound of
a blast] ... Works for me."
I think he suggested saying the rosary.
Post by OrionCA
TITLE 18 Sec. 871. - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for
conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any
post office or by any letter carrier any letter,
paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing
any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to
inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United
States, the President-elect, the Vice President or
other officer next in the order of succession to
the office of President of the United States, or
the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully
otherwise makes any such threat against the President,
President-elect, Vice President or other officer next
in the order of succession to the office of President,
or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
p_j
2004-06-06 14:25:06 UTC
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Post by OrionCA
Post by Edw
Post by Buck
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
<plonk>
What a bunch of babies.
Post by OrionCA
--
Randi Rhodes, Air America radio host, suggesting
R: "Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full
of grace, God is with ou-" [Randi makes the sound of
a blast] ... Works for me."
TITLE 18 Sec. 871. - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
lol... so much for reading comprehension. Why not use Sailor Mongering?
Its about as relevant.
OrionCA
2004-06-06 16:20:40 UTC
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Post by p_j
Post by OrionCA
Post by Edw
Post by Buck
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
<plonk>
What a bunch of babies.
Thank you for volunteering to be killfiled.

<plonk>
--
Randi Rhodes, Air America radio host, suggesting
President Bush's assassination to a caller:


R: "Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full
of grace, God is with ou-" [Randi makes the sound of
a blast] ... Works for me."

TITLE 18 Sec. 871. - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency


(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for
conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any
post office or by any letter carrier any letter,
paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing
any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to
inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United
States, the President-elect, the Vice President or
other officer next in the order of succession to
the office of President of the United States, or
the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully
otherwise makes any such threat against the President,
President-elect, Vice President or other officer next
in the order of succession to the office of President,
or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Roger
2004-06-07 00:42:44 UTC
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Post by OrionCA
Post by p_j
Post by OrionCA
Post by Edw
Post by Buck
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
<plonk>
What a bunch of babies.
Thank you for volunteering to be killfiled.
<plonk>
Yet another baby.

Killfile me! Killfile me!
blobbo
2004-06-06 15:29:47 UTC
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Post by Edw
Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
Too stupid and difficult to train.
Buck
2004-06-06 16:02:33 UTC
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ADIOS, Shit Head!

PLONK!!
Post by blobbo
Post by Edw
Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Are you saying you were the chimp, Buck?
Too stupid and difficult to train.
King Pineapple
2004-06-07 02:55:25 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 04:14:15 GMT, "needless asshole Buck"
Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Wooooooah
Big tuff guy !
I bet you're dancing around in your tu-tu and spurs aren't you ?
Buck, Buck would fuck Ol' Rayguns Corpse...
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't
true."
Post by Buck
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Did he say those *wise* words before or after his Las Vegas chimpanzee
show?
Yep, Mr. Reagan had a failed chimp show in Vegas. There's a serious
person.
I'll shut down each and every attempt to "steal" my name
immediately.
I know how to complain to the abuse people,
and how to send them the exact headers to trace
this stuff.
So far, I have a 100% success rate on stopping
these clowns.
And most of them know it.
Won't work, so save your time.
---------King Pineapple
Buck
2004-06-07 04:02:22 UTC
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See Ya 'round, Tropical Fruit!

Thanks for volunteering.

PLONK!!
Post by King Pineapple
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 04:14:15 GMT, "needless asshole Buck"
Post by Buck
You are a jackass of the first degree.
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Wooooooah
Big tuff guy !
I bet you're dancing around in your tu-tu and spurs aren't you ?
Buck, Buck would fuck Ol' Rayguns Corpse...
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't
true."
Post by Buck
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Did he say those *wise* words before or after his Las Vegas chimpanzee
show?
Yep, Mr. Reagan had a failed chimp show in Vegas. There's a serious
person.
I'll shut down each and every attempt to "steal" my name
immediately.
I know how to complain to the abuse people,
and how to send them the exact headers to trace
this stuff.
So far, I have a 100% success rate on stopping
these clowns.
And most of them know it.
Won't work, so save your time.
---------King Pineapple
bernard spilman
2004-06-06 03:57:07 UTC
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Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't true."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
This guy's fucking hilarious! He's eventually going to
plonk everybody in the group. He'll see:

Buck
Buck
Buck
Buck
Buck

What an idiot.
WS
Roger
2004-06-06 06:41:26 UTC
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Post by Buck
"The problem with liberals is that they know so much that just isn't true."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
PLONK!!
The "so much that just isn't true" that liberals know is:
-----------------------------------
Post by Buck
Post by Roger
Post by SteveL
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:28 GMT, "Buck"
Post by Buck
Up Yours!
PLONK!!
Buck pulls the plonk lever becasue someone quoted Reagan's friends!!
One more conservative unable to handle the truth.
Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
2004-06-06 01:14:45 UTC
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It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.

1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.

2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.

3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.

4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.

5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.

6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.

7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.

8)
rwright
2004-06-06 01:36:50 UTC
Permalink
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Mack North
2004-06-06 01:41:20 UTC
Permalink
Hey kid,

The truth hurts sometimes eh?

---Mack
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Buck
2004-06-06 02:32:15 UTC
Permalink
See you around, Ass Breath!

(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)

PLONK!!
Post by Mack North
Hey kid,
The truth hurts sometimes eh?
---Mack
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-06 05:05:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Hey kid,
The truth hurts sometimes eh?
---Mack
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president.
On
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Buck
2004-06-06 14:55:22 UTC
Permalink
You wouldn't recognize a reason if it took up residence in your ass!

Thanks for volunteering.

PLONK!!
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Hey kid,
The truth hurts sometimes eh?
---Mack
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is
now
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and
FDR.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal -
but
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president.
On
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set
this
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty
comebacks.
Post by Gandalf Grey
A
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic
controller's
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS
crisis
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the
poor
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding.
Nevertheless,
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and
gone
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare
the
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy
of
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military
buildup.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war
contractors
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect
even
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made
political
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do
what's
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted,
most
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Edw
2004-06-06 17:03:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Buck
You wouldn't recognize a reason if it took up residence in your ass!
Yet another discussion into which the cool light of reason entered by way of
Buck.
He's a farce of nature.
Post by Buck
Thanks for volunteering.
PLONK!!
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Hey kid,
The truth hurts sometimes eh?
---Mack
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is
now
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of
our
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and
FDR.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal -
but
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in
control
Post by Buck
of
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does.
Here's
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president.
On
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set
this
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more
style
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes,
and
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty
comebacks.
Post by Gandalf Grey
A
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests.
While
Post by Buck
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and
what
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the
money
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies
that
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich
and
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan
Gap'
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it
helped
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The
destruction
Post by Buck
of
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that
we
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he
could
Post by Buck
to
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic
controller's
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS
crisis
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the
poor
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of
his
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding.
Nevertheless,
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and
gone
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway,
so
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare
the
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He
did
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy
of
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized
Amercan
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic
deterioration
Post by Buck
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military
buildup.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the
cold
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic
patriotism
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war
contractors
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect
even
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made
political
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do
what's
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted,
most
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on
hate
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's
really
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
going on in America.
8)
T.Carr
2004-06-07 01:20:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
(snipping, spell checking)?

LOL

T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Hey kid,
The truth hurts sometimes eh?
---Mack
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is
now
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and
FDR.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal -
but
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president.
On
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set
this
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks.
A
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS
crisis
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the
poor
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and
gone
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare
the
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy
of
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military
buildup.
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war
contractors
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect
even
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made
political
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do
what's
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted,
most
Post by Buck
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-07 01:32:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
If you ever come up with one, I'll let you know.
T.Carr
2004-06-07 22:17:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
If you ever come up with one, I'll let you know.
You "have let me know". When I have replied to your posts on Social
Security and taxation..you conviently forget to reply


T.Carr
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-07 23:05:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
If you ever come up with one, I'll let you know.
You "have let me know".
Someone would have to. You don't seem capable of figuring it out yourself.
T.Carr
2004-06-08 11:01:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned
argument.
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
If you ever come up with one, I'll let you know.
You "have let me know".
Someone would have to. You don't seem capable of figuring it out yourself.
Thanks for the "snip"...Its seems to be one of the few things you
are capable of doing


T.Carr
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-08 17:14:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned
argument.
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
If you ever come up with one, I'll let you know.
You "have let me know".
Someone would have to. You don't seem capable of figuring it out yourself.
Thanks for the "snip"
No problem. As I've said, it's obvious that you need the help.
Jingo
2004-06-08 02:38:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by T.Carr
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
See you around, Ass Breath!
(Wait a minute, I guess I won't!)
PLONK!!
Another great example of a right wing response to a reasoned argument.
Compared to your "left wing" resonse to a well reasoned argument?
If you ever come up with one, I'll let you know.
You "have let me know". When I have replied to your posts on Social
Security and taxation..you conviently forget to reply
66 Things to Remember About Ronald Reagan

David Corn, The Nation, June 6, 2004

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18874

Editor's Note: This list of "66 Things to Think about When Flying in
to Reagan National Airport" appeared in the Nation on March 2, 1998
after the renaming of Washington National Airport after Ronald Reagan.
As Corn says, "the piece remains relevant today - particularly as a
cheat sheet for those who dare to point out the Reagan presidency was
not all that glorious and was more nightmare in America than morning
in America."

The firing of the air traffic controllers, winnable nuclear war,
recallable nuclear missiles, trees that cause pollution, Elliott
Abrams lying to Congress, ketchup as a vegetable, colluding with
Guatemalan thugs, pardons for F.B.I. lawbreakers, voodoo economics,
budget deficits, toasts to Ferdinand Marcos, public housing cutbacks,
redbaiting the nuclear freeze movement, James Watt.

Getting cozy with Argentine fascist generals, tax credits for
segregated schools, disinformation campaigns, "homeless by choice,"
Manuel Noriega, falling wages, the HUD scandal, air raids on Libya,
"constructive engagement" with apartheid South Africa, United States
Information Agency blacklists of liberal speakers, attacks on OSHA and
workplace safety, the invasion of Grenada, assassination manuals,
Nancy's astrologer.

Drug tests, lie detector tests, Fawn Hall, female appointees (8
percent), mining harbors, the S&L scandal, 239 dead U.S. troops in
Beirut, Al Haig "in control," silence on AIDS, food-stamp reductions,
Debategate, White House shredding, Jonas Savimbi, tax cuts for the
rich, "mistakes were made."

Michael Deaver's conviction for influence peddling, Lyn Nofziger's
conviction for influence peddling, Caspar Weinberger's five-count
indictment, Ed Meese ("You don't have many suspects who are innocent
of a crime"), Donald Regan (women don't "understand throw-weights"),
education cuts, massacres in El Salvador.

"The bombing begins in five minutes," $640 Pentagon toilet seats,
African-American judicial appointees (1.9 percent), Reader's Digest,
C.I.A.-sponsored car-bombing in Lebanon (more than eighty civilians
killed), 200 officials accused of wrongdoing, William Casey,
Iran/contra. "Facts are stupid things," three-by-five cards, the MX
missile, Bitburg, S.D.I., Robert Bork, naps, Teflon.

--David Corn, Washington editor of the Nation, is author of 'The Lies
of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception.'

"Different people have different opinions about the life of Ronald Reagan
but, there's one think I think everyone agrees on...

America will be forever in his debt."

--Mark Perkel
http://www.bartcop.com/

***
Watch the 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Trailer:

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

***
See the Campaign Ad the Democrats Should
Play on All Channels 24/7:

http://www.blackstarsblog.com/bushin41point2.swf
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-06 05:04:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mack North
Hey kid,
The truth hurts sometimes eh?
---Mack
For the right wing, the truth hurts all of the time.
Post by Mack North
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Edw
2004-06-06 02:34:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
That's a curiosly Reaganesque response - irrational, untrue, and knee-jerk.
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-06 05:03:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Great example of a right wing response.
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Mr. Smith
2004-06-06 07:36:21 UTC
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Post by rwright
You are an absolute brainless idiot.
Refute anything that was said. Oh, that's right, you CAN'T.
Post by rwright
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
R
2004-06-06 06:41:58 UTC
Permalink
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will. How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will? Put him down. Thats ok you are just showing your own lack of
success. A typical going nowhere bitter democrat. He will have always been
more successful than you with more recognition. Just accept it. You are
second rate by far compared to him as far as success in life is concerned.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
George Spelvin
2004-06-06 13:50:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will. How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will?
Rather than address the points you go on a personal attack. Typical
right-wing tactic; no brains, just insults.
Buck
2004-06-06 15:42:18 UTC
Permalink
Typical leftist asshole!

PLONKED!!
Post by George Spelvin
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will. How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will?
Rather than address the points you go on a personal attack. Typical
right-wing tactic; no brains, just insults.
Gandalf Grey
2004-06-06 16:59:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Buck
Typical leftist asshole!
PLONKED!!
I'm sure that you and the three right wingers who are not in your killfile
will all be very happy together.
Post by Buck
Post by George Spelvin
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever
will.
Post by Buck
How
Post by George Spelvin
Post by R
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and
fortune
Post by Buck
than
Post by George Spelvin
Post by R
you ever will?
Rather than address the points you go on a personal attack. Typical
right-wing tactic; no brains, just insults.
George Spelvin
2004-06-08 12:47:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by Buck
Typical leftist asshole!
PLONKED!!
I'm sure that you and the three right wingers who are not in your killfile
will all be very happy together.
It will be a veritible right-wing love-fest: a lot of ass-licking and a lot of shit.
p_j
2004-06-06 14:25:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will. How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will? Put him down. Thats ok you are just showing your own lack of
success.
Ah, the Jesus crowd appears. Success! "Fame and fortune." Getting it
through massive violence and corruption? No problem, it is the love of
money that is most important. And fame based on lies... that's good
stuff... ignore the truth and attack it, for the truth will uh, the
truth is uh... REAGAN IS FAMOUS, so there.
Post by R
A typical going nowhere bitter democrat. He will have always been
more successful than you with more recognition.
For being a monster. Satan is more famous than Ronnie. Why not shoot for
the top Beelzebub boy?
Post by R
Just accept it. You are
second rate by far compared to him as far as success in life is concerned.
Are you rich and famous... er, I mean "successful?"
Edw
2004-06-06 14:38:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will. How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will? Put him down. Thats ok you are just showing your own lack of
success. A typical going nowhere bitter democrat. He will have always been
more successful than you with more recognition. Just accept it. You are
second rate by far compared to him as far as success in life is concerned.
John Wayne Gacy, to pull an example from air, also had more fame than I ever
will.
Post by R
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Richard Hutnik
2004-06-06 19:26:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will. How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will? Put him down. Thats ok you are just showing your own lack of
success. A typical going nowhere bitter democrat. He will have always been
more successful than you with more recognition. Just accept it. You are
second rate by far compared to him as far as success in life is concerned.
The refutation was to Reagan being a Great President. So, are you
saying that the only people who can argue that Reagan wasn't a great
president, were people who were great presidents? So, on that note, I
can also say Jimmy Carter was a great president, correct? What have
YOU done greater than Jimmy Carter, who was a farmer, govenor, and
president. Have you done anything even remotely close to that? If
not, then that means you are illsuited to argue against claims that
Jimmy Carter was a great president. See how inane your response is?

- Richard Hutnik
Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
2004-06-06 19:48:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by R
Go ahead and bash someone that has achieved greater than you ever will.
So did Hitler. But I can still tell the truth about Hitler.
Post by R
How
does it feel to know the person you cry about had more fame and fortune than
you ever will?
I'm not crying about him - you are. I'm just telling the truth about
him. I don't believe we should disrespect the dead - even someone
like Reagan. But neither do I believe that we should make up lies
about how great and good they were. It doesn't matter what I think of
Reagan personally - God is his judge and He has already judged
Reagan's life and rendered his verdict. What matters now is that we
who are still alive tell the simple truth about him rather than invent
fables because you need a hero to worship.
Post by R
Put him down. Thats ok you are just showing your own lack of
success. A typical going nowhere bitter democrat.
He will have always been
more successful than you with more recognition. Just accept it. You are
second rate by far compared to him as far as success in life is concerned.
YOu bring up another reason why Reagan was really a terrible
president. He was the godfather of class warfare in America. He
introduced and made respectable an attitude in American politics where
anyone who disagreed with him and his extremist "bow down the the
rich" policies was automatically labeled lazy, unaamerican, a loser,
just jealous and probably a welfare cheat. Just like you, Reagan
thought only rich people mattered and should have influence in the
govenment and be able to express their opinion. Reagan ultimately
hated the working poor, and as a result he constantly denigrated their
contribution to American society and transfered more and more wealth
from the poor to the very rich. And today hateful right-wingers like
yourself are still conducting class warfare and following in his
hateful footsteps, as your ad hominum attack on me proves.
Post by R
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
c***@yahoo.co.uk
2004-06-06 06:45:32 UTC
Permalink
Great post and good summary. I think Reagan might also be the
president who started the down-hill slide of the media by encouraging
mergers and acquisitions and bestowing tax breaks, etc. This item
alone might be more damaging to America, in the long run, than all the
other items that you listed.

I believe Reagan also created the template for snaring blue-collar
workers into the Republican web. During his campaign I worked in a
railroad dispatcher office. I remember highly overpaid, unionized
conductors, switchman and engineers would spend hours sitting on their
dufs in the office, when they should have been working, singing the
praises of Ronald Reagan and saying how great things would be when
Reagan got in office and put the welfare queens to work. As they wiled
the hours away, a million dollar locomotive would be sitting in the
yard, idling, with a string of cars attached that should have been
delivered yesterday.

Reagan raised the technique of blaming others for your problems to an
art form and Republicans have been using this technique successfully
ever since.
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Achan Back
2004-06-06 10:52:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Excellent post, made even better by the counterpoint,
or should I say honking bicycle horns (of the Marx
brother's vintage), of the Reaganites with their
posting of empty whines. "There they go again." :)

Reaganites, keep honking! Hurrah!

AG
Achan Back
2004-06-06 12:07:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
You left the Unfinished 8th.
I'll take that as an invitation.

8) Reagan is responsible for furthering the cause of delusional,
satanic Anti-Christ worshippers and the conquering zionists.
He is responsible for death and misery in the Mideast and the US.
More than any US President he is responsible for souring and scourging
the "stew of discontent" that is the Mideast, and which eventually led
to the WTC disaster, the Iraq war, and ...
The Presidents preceding Reagan - Nixon, Ford and Carter - were
unanimous and unequivocal about the settlements in the occupied
territories - they are illegal and against the Geneva Convention.
But thirteen days into his presidency it was payback time to his
fellow delusional dispensationalists, who supported his election.
Reagan
reversed the US position, saying that the settlements were legal.

All that misery over a delusion.

AG
p_j
2004-06-06 13:07:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Yeah, but he took a coalition of the willing and kicked ass in Grenada.
Roger
2004-06-06 13:09:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Yeah, but he took a coalition of the willing and kicked ass in Grenada.
Willing? They'd get court marshaled if they didn't.
p_j
2004-06-06 14:25:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger
Post by p_j
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Yeah, but he took a coalition of the willing and kicked ass in Grenada.
Willing? They'd get court marshaled if they didn't.
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got hopped
up about conquering Grenada.

American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
Edw
2004-06-06 14:41:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by Roger
Post by p_j
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Yeah, but he took a coalition of the willing and kicked ass in Grenada.
Willing? They'd get court marshaled if they didn't.
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got hopped
up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
p_j
2004-06-06 16:49:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got hopped
up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
Last I heard he was leading a prayer conference and of course, being a
traitor and terrorist, he is a hero to conservatives and appears on Fox
and has a radio talk show.
Edw
2004-06-06 17:06:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got hopped
up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
Last I heard he was leading a prayer conference and of course, being a
traitor and terrorist, he is a hero to conservatives and appears on Fox
and has a radio talk show.
There used to be a term "conscientious conservative." I see now why it's no
longer used.
Roger
2004-06-07 00:44:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got hopped
up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
Last I heard he was leading a prayer conference and of course, being a
traitor and terrorist, he is a hero to conservatives and appears on Fox
and has a radio talk show.
There used to be a term "conscientious conservative." I see now why it's no
longer used.
You don't hear "compassionate conservative" anymore either.
p_j
2004-06-07 18:27:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got
hopped
Post by Edw
Post by p_j
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up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
Last I heard he was leading a prayer conference and of course, being a
traitor and terrorist, he is a hero to conservatives and appears on Fox
and has a radio talk show.
There used to be a term "conscientious conservative." I see now why it's
no
Post by Edw
longer used.
You don't hear "compassionate conservative" anymore either.
"Uniter not a divider" is gone as well. He's doing so well, that he is
not only dividing the two parties, but his own party has fault lines
running all over the place.

Ah, I forgot the US and the rest of the world...
Edw
2004-06-07 19:05:12 UTC
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I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got
hopped
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up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
Last I heard he was leading a prayer conference and of course, being a
traitor and terrorist, he is a hero to conservatives and appears on Fox
and has a radio talk show.
There used to be a term "conscientious conservative." I see now why it's
no
Post by Edw
longer used.
You don't hear "compassionate conservative" anymore either.
"Uniter not a divider" is gone as well. He's doing so well, that he is
not only dividing the two parties, but his own party has fault lines
running all over the place.
Ah, I forgot the US and the rest of the world...
There was just an article in Foreign Affairs about the fault lines in the
"Reagan coalition." The Reps. need someone more charismatic, smarter and
with more heart than Bush to repair those chinks.
Dave Grey
2004-06-07 19:57:09 UTC
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Post by p_j
"Uniter not a divider" is gone as well. He's doing so well, that he is
not only dividing the two parties, but his own party has fault lines
running all over the place.
Give him some credit. He's managed to unite the Iraqi Shia and Sunni.
That's no small feat.
--
ONLY YOU can prevent Republicans. Spey or neuter farm animals and educate
your children on the dangers of beastility and incest.

"Every man, woman and child is a partner" ... in the Republican party,
where the meaning of 'family' is illdefined ...
Roger
2004-06-07 00:43:37 UTC
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5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He
did
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this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This
policy
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of
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appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Yeah, but he took a coalition of the willing and kicked ass in
Grenada.
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Post by Roger
Willing? They'd get court marshaled if they didn't.
I was making fun of the fact that both the Brits and the US got hopped
up about conquering Grenada.
American traitor, Ollie North, hosts cruises there to relive it.
So that's where that bumbling fool ended up.
He's just lucky the ACLU helped keep him out of jail.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-06-07 03:43:28 UTC
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1232688,00.html

How the Gipper stole into American hearts

Paul Harris looks back on the dramatic life and controversial legacy of
one of American's most loved - and loathed - Presidents

"Ronald Reagan was one of the most controversial Presidents in the modern
United States but his slow death from a terrible brain disease united
Americans in a sense of pity. ... "
Roger
2004-06-07 07:34:32 UTC
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1232688,00.html
How the Gipper stole into American hearts
Paul Harris looks back on the dramatic life and controversial legacy of
one of American's most loved - and loathed - Presidents
"Ronald Reagan was one of the most controversial Presidents in the modern
United States but his slow death from a terrible brain disease united
Americans in a sense of pity. ... "
Not enough pity to convince Bush to change his mind about stem cell research
so they could prevent people like us from dying from Alzheimer's.
p_j
2004-06-07 18:27:34 UTC
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Not enough pity to convince Bush to change his mind about stem cell research
so they could prevent people like us from dying from Alzheimer's.
Not to worry. The rest of the world will take up the slack.
Roger
2004-06-07 19:33:11 UTC
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Not enough pity to convince Bush to change his mind about stem cell research
so they could prevent people like us from dying from Alzheimer's.
Not to worry. The rest of the world will take up the slack.
But I do worry. This is an area so promising, and in so many areas (not just
Alzheimer's), that everyone should be working on it. Especially the best in
the world.
Jingo
2004-06-07 23:00:57 UTC
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Post by Carol Lee Smith
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1232688,00.html
How the Gipper stole into American hearts
Paul Harris looks back on the dramatic life and controversial legacy of
one of American's most loved - and loathed - Presidents
"Ronald Reagan was one of the most controversial Presidents in the modern
United States but his slow death from a terrible brain disease united
Americans in a sense of pity. ... "
Reagan’s own penchant for self-delusion has been widely documented.
He frequently convinced himself of historical truths on the basis of
old movies he half-recalled.

He pretended to one White House visitor to have participated in the
liberation of German concentration camps at the end of World War II
though he hand never even gone overseas as a soldier.

He entertained a strange fascination with the End of Days and was even
known to speculate that they might take place during his presidency.

He invented what he called “a verbal message” from the Pope in support
of his Central American policies, which was news to everyone at the
Vatican.

He announced one day in 1985 that South Africa--though still ruled by
the vicious apartheid regime of P.W. Botha--had somehow “eliminated
the segregation that we once had in our own country.”

Such strange pronouncements by the president of the United States
eventually grew to be considered so routine that rarely did anyone in
the White House ever bother to correct them.

The president simply had a penchant, one former senior adviser
admitted, to “build these little worlds and live in them.” One of his
children added, “He makes things up and believes them.”

What is more astounding is the fact that he convinced other people to
believe them too.

--Eric Alterman, "When Presidents Lie: Deception and Its Consequences"

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=ZYw1YJR6GT&isbn=0670032093&itm=1

"Different people have different opinions about the life of Ronald Reagan
but, there's one think I think everyone agrees on...

America will be forever in his debt."

--Mark Perkel
http://www.bartcop.com/

***
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http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

***
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Play on All Channels 24/7:

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A. Pismo Clam
2004-06-06 16:46:13 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:14:45 GMT, Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.
Edw
2004-06-06 17:07:23 UTC
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Post by A. Pismo Clam
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:14:45 GMT, Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.
It's too bad Grenada gave him so much more trouble.
p_j
2004-06-06 18:54:18 UTC
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Post by A. Pismo Clam
Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.
Are you a juicer like Nixon, a junkie like Rush or an upper fiend like
little Georgie, because your claim is so silly that drugs or mental
illness are all I can think of why someone would say something that even
ol' Ronnie would never say.
Tempest
2004-06-07 16:41:47 UTC
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Post by A. Pismo Clam
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:14:45 GMT, Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.
Another rightwing lie kept alive because Americans are too stupid to
learn Russian history.
BUSH=TERRORIST
2004-06-07 00:11:53 UTC
Permalink
Let's not leave out Ronnie's bank and deficit scams, costing the
American people billions, which benefited the wealthy.

Neil Bush alone walked away with $50 million.

I don't know who came up with the phrase "crime doesn't
pay", but who ever it was, they didn't know the US government
very well.


On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:14:45 GMT, Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media is now
going all out to try and deify Ronald Reagan, calling him one of our
greatest presidents, in the same class as Washington, Lincoln and FDR.
This notion is so absurd it should hardly even need any rebuttal - but
living in the times we do, when right-wing extremism is in control of
just about everything in this country, unfortunately it does. Here's
what I see as the deficiencies of Reagan both as a man and as a
president, and why history will never judge him a great president. On
the contrary, history will see him as the shallow bungler who set this
country on its current self-destructive course.
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
2) He persued a one-sided tax, regulation and economic policies that
became little more than a way of transferring more wealth from the
poor and middle class to the very rich. By far the most enduring
legacy of the Reagan presidency is the exploding gap between rich and
poor in America. Since and because of Reagan, America has been two
countries - one affluent and always pampered, and one poor,
third-world, and completely ignored. It is the widening 'Reagan Gap'
in income and the resulting climate of deep injustice that it helped
foster, that is directly responsible for the strident political
climate and deep divisions in this country today. The destruction of
American democracy, and the loss of fundamental human rights that we
see today, can be traced directly back to Ronald Reagan.
3) Ronald Reagan hated working people and did everything he could to
destroy worker's unions, beginning with the air traffic controller's
strike. He hated gays and did absolutley nothing when the AIDS crisis
first broke out, refusing to even mention the word. He hated the poor
and homeless and used the exploding deficit, the direct result of his
tax cuts for the rich, to dramatically slash programs geared to
relieve the unjust suffering of the poor. He always preferred the
company of wealthy men, and always did their bidding. Nevertheless,
he styled himself a deeply religious man.
4) He should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal, and gone
down in history with other fundamentally corrupt Republicans like
Grant and Harding and Nixon - but by that time he was so far gone
mentally and the next presidential election was coming up anyway, so
the Democratically controlled Congress mistakenly decided to spare the
country and let it slide. They would have spared the country much
more if they had impeached both him and his VP Bush.
5) He led the US miliary into a disaster in Lebanon, and then
compounded the mistake and sent exactly the wrong message to
terrorists by turning tail and running without any reprisals. He did
this once again when terrorists hyjacked an airliner. This policy of
appeasement under Reagan sent the wrong message to terrorists, and
ultimately resulted in the disaster of 9-11. More than any other
president besides Bush, Reagan's poor leadership is responsible for
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
6) He did not end the cold war - he only further militarized Amercan
society and enshrined the rule of the military industrial complex.
Every competent historian acknowleges that the fall of the Soviet
Union is the direct result of the long-term economic deterioration
within the Soviet Union, and not because of Reagan's military buildup.
In fact, Reagan's commitment to SDI made it more difficult for
Gorbachev to persuade his officials that arms control was in the
Soviet interest. If anything, Reagan only helped to prolong the cold
war, while at the same time infusing a sense of gingoistic patriotism
that only leads to increased weapons spending, wealthy war contractors
and future wars.
7) As the oldest and least qualified president up to that point,
Reagan lowered the bar considerably and made it possible to elect even
less qualified candidates, like George W Bush. He also made political
extremism acceptable, so that a president no longer needs to do what's
in the interest of the entire nation, but just follow the wishes of
his narrow and extremist base, while at the same time collecting
enough bribes from the rich to get himself re-elected. As a direct
consequnce, sensing how the system has been rigged and corrupted, most
of the electorate has either stopped voting altogether, or else
retreated to the patriotic certainty of political propaganda on hate
radio or fox news, where they don't have to think about what's really
going on in America.
8)
Andrew Manore
2004-06-07 19:59:18 UTC
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Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
Reagan was an ideologue well before his governorship and a politician
through most of his life. He was known for his ability to give vivid
off-the-cuff talks on a wide variety of topics without preparation.
His writings and radio essays, readily available in several books,
reveal depth of thought and knowledge of a wide variety of facts.

Your assertion that he "never posessed...the insight, intelligence
or depth of character" is bullshit.

(Other Marxist and left-wing fallacies snipped)

--
Andrew Manore
Tempest
2004-06-08 00:30:53 UTC
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Post by Andrew Manore
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
Reagan was an ideologue well before his governorship and a politician
through most of his life. He was known for his ability to give vivid
off-the-cuff talks on a wide variety of topics without preparation.
His writings and radio essays, readily available in several books,
reveal depth of thought and knowledge of a wide variety of facts.
His writings and essays were not his original works.

Reagan is well-known for plagiarizing the works of others.

Not to mention having an entire staff of writers available.
Post by Andrew Manore
Your assertion that he "never posessed...the insight, intelligence
or depth of character" is bullshit.
(Other Marxist and left-wing fallacies snipped)
--
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--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
Jingo
2004-06-08 02:39:23 UTC
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Post by Tempest
Post by Andrew Manore
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
Reagan was an ideologue well before his governorship and a politician
through most of his life. He was known for his ability to give vivid
off-the-cuff talks on a wide variety of topics without preparation.
His writings and radio essays, readily available in several books,
reveal depth of thought and knowledge of a wide variety of facts.
His writings and essays were not his original works.
Reagan is well-known for plagiarizing the works of others.
Not to mention having an entire staff of writers available.
And some was just his imagination:

Reagan’s own penchant for self-delusion has been widely documented.
He frequently convinced himself of historical truths on the basis of
old movies he half-recalled.

He pretended to one White House visitor to have participated in the
liberation of German concentration camps at the end of World War II
though he hand never even gone overseas as a soldier.

He entertained a strange fascination with the End of Days and was even
known to speculate that they might take place during his presidency.

He invented what he called “a verbal message” from the Pope in support
of his Central American policies, which was news to everyone at the
Vatican.

He announced one day in 1985 that South Africa--though still ruled by
the vicious apartheid regime of P.W. Botha--had somehow “eliminated
the segregation that we once had in our own country.”

Such strange pronouncements by the president of the United States
eventually grew to be considered so routine that rarely did anyone in
the White House ever bother to correct them.

The president simply had a penchant, one former senior adviser
admitted, to “build these little worlds and live in them.” One of his
children added, “He makes things up and believes them.”

What is more astounding is the fact that he convinced other people to
believe them too.

--Eric Alterman, "When Presidents Lie: Deception and Its Consequences"

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=ZYw1YJR6GT&isbn=0670032093&itm=1

"Different people have different opinions about the life of Ronald Reagan
but, there's one think I think everyone agrees on...

America will be forever in his debt."

--Mark Perkel
http://www.bartcop.com/

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Andrew Manore
2004-06-08 20:06:30 UTC
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Post by Tempest
Post by Andrew Manore
Post by Fair & Balanced Trebor ©
1) For Reagan, 'Great communicator' was just another way of saying
'shallow actor'. He was the first president who was much more style
than substance, and as such the creature of his handlers. His
political philosophy was grounded in series of shallow anecdotes, and
his only memorable words were pre-scripted jokes or witty comebacks. A
second rate movie actor and TV host, he little more the photogenic
front man and PR spokesman for powerful corporate interests. While
always doing their bidding, he never posessed the insight,
intelligence or depth of character to understand what he was and what
he was really doing to this country. He was simply hired by the money
interests to play a role, and he played it. The best you could say
for him is that he was the most sincerely corrupt president in our
nation's history. At least, up until now.
Reagan was an ideologue well before his governorship and a politician
through most of his life. He was known for his ability to give vivid
off-the-cuff talks on a wide variety of topics without preparation.
His writings and radio essays, readily available in several books,
reveal depth of thought and knowledge of a wide variety of facts.
His writings and essays were not his original works.
Document.
Post by Tempest
Reagan is well-known for plagiarizing the works of others.
Document.
Post by Tempest
Not to mention having an entire staff of writers available.
He had a staff of speechwriters when he was president. Prior to his
presidency he wrote his radio essays himself, wrote his speeches
himself, did his own research himself, and wrote his lecture notes
himself.

Apparently, he had you fooled.

--
Andrew Manore
p_j
2004-06-08 13:35:37 UTC
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Post by Andrew Manore
(Other Marxist and left-wing fallacies snipped)
Guess you wouldn't know a Marxist or left-wing fallacy if it bit you in
the ass. These days, the only left wing fallacies I hear are out of the
White House.

Of course that is using language accurately and not succumbing to the
idiotic Orwellian reversal of meanings.
Joe Krolikowski
2004-06-08 19:53:06 UTC
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It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media...
<mercy snippage>

Amazing.

The man's been out of office now for 15 years, and just *died* for
Christ sakes', but the left is *still* afraid of the man and his legacy.

Truly amazing.



Joe Krolikowski
Flip-Flop Bush
2004-06-08 19:59:48 UTC
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Post by Joe Krolikowski
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media...
<mercy snippage>
Amazing.
The man's been out of office now for 15 years, and just *died* for
Christ sakes', but the left is *still* afraid of the man and his legacy.
Truly amazing.
Joe Krolikowski
So how long do you think the "right" will be afraid of Clinton and his
legacy?
--
"If there is to be blame, it properly rests here in this office and with
this president. And I accept responsibility for the bad as well as the
good."
- Ronald Reagan, accepting responsibility for deaths
of 241 marines in Lebanon

"I don't want to sound like I've made no mistakes. I'm confident I have.
I just haven't - you just put me under the spot here and maybe I'm not
quick - as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one."

- George W. Bush, shirking all responsibility.
Joe Krolikowski
2004-06-09 01:56:40 UTC
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Post by Flip-Flop Bush
Post by Joe Krolikowski
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media...
<mercy snippage>
Amazing.
The man's been out of office now for 15 years, and just *died* for
Christ sakes', but the left is *still* afraid of the man and his legacy.
Truly amazing.
So how long do you think the "right" will be afraid of Clinton and his
legacy?
Such a question assumes that Clinton actually possesses a legacy to be
afraid of, but I'll answer it anyway. Clinton's "legacy," such as it is
is rather much more the object of derision, rather than fear.

I'm quite sure that Reagan will be remembered positively long after
Clinton is reduced to a mere footnote in the history books.



Joe Krolikowski
Tempest
2004-06-09 05:11:04 UTC
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Post by Joe Krolikowski
Post by Flip-Flop Bush
Post by Joe Krolikowski
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media...
<mercy snippage>
Amazing.
The man's been out of office now for 15 years, and just *died* for
Christ sakes', but the left is *still* afraid of the man and his legacy.
Truly amazing.
So how long do you think the "right" will be afraid of Clinton and his
legacy?
Such a question assumes that Clinton actually possesses a legacy to be
afraid of, but I'll answer it anyway. Clinton's "legacy," such as it is
is rather much more the object of derision, rather than fear.
I'm quite sure that Reagan will be remembered positively long after
Clinton is reduced to a mere footnote in the history books.
Reagan will be remembered for his massive deficits, illegally selling
arms to Iran, 31 Iran/Contra convictions, creating and funding rightwing
death squads responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Central
American citizens and prolonging the Iran/Iraq war by selling arms to
both sides.

Clinton will be remembered for 8 years of prosperity which raised all
boats, not just those of the rich.
--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
Daniel
2004-06-09 17:57:38 UTC
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Post by Tempest
Post by Joe Krolikowski
Post by Flip-Flop Bush
Post by Joe Krolikowski
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media...
<mercy snippage>
Amazing.
The man's been out of office now for 15 years, and just *died* for
Christ sakes', but the left is *still* afraid of the man and his legacy.
Truly amazing.
So how long do you think the "right" will be afraid of Clinton and his
legacy?
Such a question assumes that Clinton actually possesses a legacy to be
afraid of, but I'll answer it anyway. Clinton's "legacy," such as it is
is rather much more the object of derision, rather than fear.
I'm quite sure that Reagan will be remembered positively long after
Clinton is reduced to a mere footnote in the history books.
Reagan will be remembered for his massive deficits, illegally selling
arms to Iran, 31 Iran/Contra convictions, creating and funding rightwing
death squads responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Central
American citizens and prolonging the Iran/Iraq war by selling arms to
both sides.
Clinton will be remembered for 8 years of prosperity which raised all
boats, not just those of the rich.
you left out the gutting of the military.

Flip-Flop Bush
2004-06-09 13:46:41 UTC
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Post by Joe Krolikowski
Post by Flip-Flop Bush
Post by Joe Krolikowski
It's no surprise that the right-wing corporate propaganda media...
<mercy snippage>
Amazing.
The man's been out of office now for 15 years, and just *died* for
Christ sakes', but the left is *still* afraid of the man and his legacy.
Truly amazing.
So how long do you think the "right" will be afraid of Clinton and
his legacy?
Such a question assumes that Clinton actually possesses a legacy to be
afraid of, but I'll answer it anyway. Clinton's "legacy," such as it
is is rather much more the object of derision, rather than fear.
The longest economic expansion in a century. Object of derision. Says it
all about you.
Post by Joe Krolikowski
I'm quite sure that Reagan will be remembered positively long after
Clinton is reduced to a mere footnote in the history books.
I'm quite sure you are wrong.
--
"If there is to be blame, it properly rests here in this office and with
this president. And I accept responsibility for the bad as well as the
good."
- Ronald Reagan, accepting responsibility for deaths
of 241 marines in Lebanon

"I don't want to sound like I've made no mistakes. I'm confident I have.
I just haven't - you just put me under the spot here and maybe I'm not
quick - as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one."

- George W. Bush, shirking all responsibility.
Big Al
2004-06-06 02:12:48 UTC
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bernard spilman
2004-06-06 02:21:21 UTC
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Post by Johnny B Jesus
This page is getting lots of hits today, it tells
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
I didn't see anything at ALL about Bill Clinton on that page.
WS
Jingo
2004-06-06 04:15:10 UTC
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Post by Johnny B Jesus
This page is getting lots of hits today, it tells
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
"He fuckin dead!"

--Pat Tillman's Brother at Pat's Funeral

"West Wing staffers call Bush and Ashcroft 'the Blues Brothers' because
"they’re on a mission from God.""

--Capitol Hill Blue
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml

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Fredric L. Rice
2004-06-07 06:01:00 UTC
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Post by Johnny B Jesus
This page is getting lots of hits today, it tells
the true story of an American hero
Yeah, dealing cocaine with the enemy is _such_ a "hero." Yep!

Fucking rightard traitors.

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"Bush is doing what's necessary to keep the military in top form." -- David Wilson
"Top form for an S&M porno." == Jingo
cep
2004-06-07 12:45:22 UTC
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Post by Fredric L. Rice
Post by Johnny B Jesus
This page is getting lots of hits today, it tells
the true story of an American hero
Yeah, dealing cocaine with the enemy is _such_ a "hero." Yep!
Fucking rightard traitors.
HEY....JUST A MINUTE. Don't be knocking Reagan, without him you
wouldn't be getting your line everyday.


Rice the real druggie.....father of the drug kingdom.....
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