AlleyCat
2021-12-01 03:21:25 UTC
Reminder: "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Is A Fabricated Narrative From The Michael
Brown Case
It's a lie that gave birth to the Black Lives Matter movement, and is chanted
by protesters and politicians to this day.
Posted by William A. Jacobson Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 09:05pm
The Black Lives Matter movement was born of the Michael Brown shooting in
Ferguson, Missouri. While the BLM founders started their organizing after the
prior Trayvon Martin case, it was Brown and Ferguson which launched the BLM
movement into the public spotlight through the protests and riots in Ferguson.
Nothing was more associated with the BLM movement than the chant "hands up,
don't shoot," based on the narrative that Brown had his hands raised and said
'don't shoot' when shot. That same chant drives protesters and rioters ripping
up cities after the George Floyd killing.
I know the history of BLM and how it shot to national fame after the Brown
shooting. I followed it closely and wrote about it at the time in 2014. I
documented the violent instigators, many of them cross-over anti-Israel
activists. See my October 25, 2014 post, Intifada Missouri - Anti-Israel
activists may push Ferguson over the edge.
More than anything, BLM seized on the claim that Brown had his hands raised in
surrender, saying "don't shoot," at the time he was shot by officer Darren
Wilson. "Hands up, don't shoot" became the signature slogan of BLM.
But it was all a lie. Brown wasn't surrendering and didn't say don't shoot. And
he wasn't a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the "Gentle Giant" he was
portrayed as in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his
police car, tried to grab Wilson's service pistol, and was shot when he charged
Wilson a second time.
On March 5, 2015, Andrew Branca wrote here, Even DOJ Admits: "Hands Up, Don't
Shoot" An Utter Lie:
The DOJ report (embedded in our earlier post Darren Wilson Cleared by DOJ of
Civil Rights Violations) particularly noted the lack of credible evidence for
the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" meme (page 8):
Although there are several individuals who have stated that Brown held his
hands up in an unambiguous sign of surrender prior to Wilson shooting him dead,
their accounts do not support a prosecution of Wilson. As detailed throughout
this report, some of those accounts are inaccurate because they are
inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence; some of those accounts
are materially inconsistent with that witness's own prior statements with no
explanation, credible for otherwise, as to why those accounts changed over
time. Certain other witnesses who originally stated Brown had his hands up in
surrender recanted their original accounts, admitting that they did not witness
the shooting or parts of it, despite what they initially reported either to
federal or local law enforcement or to the media. Prosecutors did not rely on
those accounts when making a prosecutive decision.
While credible witnesses gave varying accounts of exactly what Brown was doing
with his hands as he moved toward Wilson - i.e., balling them, holding them
out, or pulling up his pants up - and varying accounts of how he was moving -
i.e., "charging," moving in "slow motion," or "running" - they all establish
that Brown was moving toward Wilson when Wilson shot him. Although some
witnesses state that Brown held his hands up at shoulder level with his palms
facing outward for a brief moment, these same witnesses describe Brown then
dropping his hands and "charging" at Wilson.
I summarized how the "Hands up, don't shoot" lie gave life to BLM in a later
post, Two years ago Michael Brown died, and a movement based on lies was born:
The Black Lives Matter movement, which was conceived in the Trayvon Martin
case, was born in the Brown shooting. Hands Up, Don't Shoot would be it's
rallying cry. That seminal factual allegation turned out to be a lie, but it
gave birth to a movement which now dominated much of the media attention....
There would be more protests, including the tactic of blocking roads and
highways and disrupting shopping malls. Members of Congress got into the hands
up, don't shoot narrative despite the evidence:
.... The legacy of the Michael Brown case, and Trayvom Martin case before it,
is that lie upon lie built a false narrative that changed the political
landscape even after the truth came out through the judicial process. But that
truth mattered not to the activists involved, who believe in convenient myths.
And so it continues. "Hands up, don't shoot" is chanted by protesters and the
politicians who join them, including Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer:
It's all a lie. A lie that gave birth to a movement destroying our cities while
demanding defunding of the police.
Concern for black lives, and all lives, is important. But that is not the
agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement, they seek to tear down our society
to achieve their marxist goals, and it takes a huge deception to get people to
go along.
51 Comments Black Lives Matter, Ferguson, George Floyd, Gretchen Whitmer,
Michael Brown
Comments
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 4, 2020 at 9:28 pm
PANTS UP
DON'T POOT.
Ridicule drives Leftists over the Wall.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 4, 2020 at 9:35 pm
Antifa Jeremiah Ellison,
Antifa Minnesota AG Keith Ellison's Son:
'We Are Going To Dismantle The Minneapolis Police Department'
Weazil Zippers
TheFineReport.com in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 4, 2020
at 10:57 pm
The Los Angeles police department has just been dismantled.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020
at 1:01 pm
Tucker: Kneeling will never be enough for the mob
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 2:55 pm
75 PERCENT of the slave owners in New Orleans in 1861 were black.
The slave owner in America was black.
Focal Point
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm
The 1st slave owner....
n.n in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 4, 2020 at 10:13 pm
Pants On The Ground... Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground.
Classic.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 12:23 am
35 Obama "hands up" Coup gang members subpoenaed....
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 12:37 pm
Hmmmm....
Why can I totally believe this.......
shelaneb
The truth is getting exposed DemRat DC mayor coordinated out of town
#AntifaTerrorists to loot and burn down their cities. People are waking up to
their corruption.
#WalkAwayFromDemocratsForever
oldgoat36 | June 4, 2020 at 9:31 pm
BLM has ties to the Nation of Islam as well. Notice that they joined forces in
escalating violence in these riots with Antifa.
They don't care if anything they push is a lie. They claim they want justice
for George Floyd, yet they say also that the only thing which would satisfy
them is his conviction.
Imagine that. A country founded on laws with a group that wants no law
enforcement other than their own kangaroo courts and vigilante justice, where
they get to play judge, jury and executioner fit to their own vision which has
nothing to do with the law.
There seems to be a strong case against Chauvin, but this terrorist
organization is looking for a lynching crew to take him from his cell and hang
him. They don't want justice. They want revenge and a furthering of their
political goals.
Obama has strong ties with BLM. He helped organize and give them impetus. Obama
was the one to insert himself into every incident which involved a black being
shot and played jury and judge with these cases before any real facts where
known. He was fanning the flames of racial unrest and insurrection.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | June 4, 2020 at 9:38
pm
Lies....just like their parents....Adolph and Satan....
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | June 4, 2020 at
11:35 pm
Leftists heal thyself first.
Take the 10 foot oak beam out of your eye first
then later we can worry about the loose eye lash on
Anerica's cheek.
COsweda
Black Africans still have slaves.
So the global condemnation of American racism makes me laugh.
Think about how stupid it is for people in foreign countries to march.
AND.
The ones marching should look in the mirror.
Barry Soetoro in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at
12:26 am
Not only does slavery still exist in sub-Saharan Africa, it was invented in
sub-Saharan Africa.
Europeans did not introduce slavery to the New World, our continent's original
sin was being practiced in a horrendously brutal form by the native
Amerindians.The
Thirteen do fifty.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Barry Soetoro. | June 5, 2020 at
1:07 am
Paul Joseph Watson has some good words to say about Leftist narrow, selective
outrage.
NSFW
drednicolson in reply to Barry Soetoro. | June 5, 2020 at 2:41 am
The transatlantic slave trade would never have grown to more than a niche
enterprise, without the willing participation of the native Africans. Tribes on
the coast would raid those farther inland to take captives and trade them to
the European slavers for rum and guns.
markm in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 8:02 am
Don't forget the Arab slave traders - they (and their part-African descendants,
probably including Obama's Nigerian ancestors) always carried on the bulk of
the slave trade. They were kidnapping and buying slaves across the Sahara
Desert long before European ships reached west Africa. Arab pirates also raided
European coasts for slaves, and took slaves from the ships they captured.
During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, they brought slaves to markets on the
African coast, but they still carried many slaves north for each one sold to
whites.
Milhouse in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 9:30 am
The transatlantic slave trade would never have grown to more than a niche
enterprise, without the willing participation of the native Africans.
What "niche enterprise"? It couldn't have existed in the first place without
that. As far as I know there is no evidence that any European ever enslaved a
single African during that period. European traders simply learned that there
were slaves for sale at the West African markets, so they went shopping. By the
standards of every society in the world at the time, it was a completely normal
thing to do, no different from people going there now to buy yams or coffee or
anything else they make there. As for how the market was supplied, they neither
knew nor cared, any more than most people care how their local supermarket gets
the goods it sells. They had no reason to.
It never occurred to anyone involved, including the slaves themselves, that
there was anything wrong with slavery. The slaves had no objection to the
institution, they just wished they were on the other end of it; if they had any
hope it was one day to become free and become rich enough to own their own
slaves. The whole idea that there was something wrong with it was invented by a
few European Christian thinkers in the 18th century, and spread from there.
Without them we still would think nothing of it.
Paul In Sweden in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 11:22 am
Yes, It should also be noted that at the time of the civil war there were a
number of Free Black former slaves that held a significant number of Black
Slaves.
alaskabob | June 4, 2020 at 9:32 pm
Suggestion to Minneapolis Police: A planned "sick-out" of the entire force is
needed. A mandatory three weeks. Worried about losing your job... it is going
away anyway. Dox addresses of mayor and admin.
As for the city council... watch The Purge.
George Floyd is the new "Lady Diana" in death.
Dantzig93101 | June 4, 2020 at 10:10 pm
When Benjamin Crump and Al Sharpton show up, you know there's something phony
going on.
If Trayvon Martin had succeeded in murdering George Zimmerman, and if Michael
Brown had succeeded in murdering Darrin Wilson, we never would have heard a
word about either death. The MSM stick to the plan: "Narrative über alles."
buck61 | June 4, 2020 at 10:13 pm
One goal that is not mentioned as well, make the job of being a police officer
so undesirable that no one will want to enter the profession. They want every
move you make recorded, question every decision, assume that it is the officers
fault every time something bad happens. The training and protocols vary by
department.
Then add in a society is is devolving, a government that only cares about
staying in power by placating the public by not telling the real truth and a
media that is rarely supportive as well.
The hiring standards have already been lowered in many areas then add in a
union that protects its members at all costs.
One of the attractive benefits to being an officer was a very good pension
plan. Now due to gross mis-management of the retirement funds may mean much
smaller future pensions if any pensions at all.
Andy | June 4, 2020 at 10:31 pm
check out Ann Coulter's columns this week. In two paragraphs she lays out more
facts about George Floyd than all MSM outlets combined. These are facts that
matter.
topcat69 in reply to Andy. | June 4, 2020 at 10:49 pm
According to the media, police only kill the finest and most upstanding members
of the black community.
TheFineReport.com in reply to Andy. | June 4, 2020 at 11:05 pm
It's just too bad she destroyed her credibilty by trying to get attention.
She is an island now.
Oversoul Of Dusk in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020 at 7:00 am
Hmm. Someone around here spends a lot of time trying to get attention.
Tiki | June 4, 2020 at 10:49 pm
We're discussing the etymology of a political slogan while leftists burn our
cities and antifa pile cobblestones.
What else can we do? I've no desire to prove my mettle nor gain glory in
battle. Yet I bend the knee for no man. My pride will not allow it. So, there's
that.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Tiki. | June 4, 2020 at 11:38 pm
This will cheer you up
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TheFineReport.com in reply to Tiki. | June 4, 2020 at 11:53 pm
Tiki,
It's classic conundrum (that is, having no desire to prove one's mettle nor
gain glory in battle; yet not bending the knee for any man).
If you don't prove your mettle, you'll be bending your knee. Both of them.
Our comfort zones are through, just as the comfort zones of Americans after
Pearl Harbor: the entire nation went on wartime footing: fuel rationing,
shortage of luxury goods, etc.
We are at war. Obama is our new Tojo.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020
at 2:40 am
Is ex general Mattis in the hands up gang?
Dodd letter to Egg Sucking Dog Mattis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268675068814659584
ronk | June 5, 2020 at 12:02 am
there is more to it than hands up, the key word is STOP. do not approach
TheFineReport.com | June 5, 2020 at 12:07 am
Speaking of fabrications:
Christopher Wray is still the head of the FBI.
What dark comedy.
Barry Soetoro in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020 at 12:50 am
I don't think Trump can replace Wray until after the election. There are too
many subversive RINO members of the GOPe and NeverTrumpers who will try to
crucify him after this remedial action, and Trump needs party unity on Election
Day (election month in Democrat precincts).
The Friendly Grizzly in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020 at 10:32 am
There is still and FBI. Even more comedy.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 5, 2020 at 1:10 am
Maybe it is time to pray this prayer.
Psalm 83
Do to them as you did to the Midianites
and as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the Kishon River.
They were destroyed at Endor,
and their decaying corpses fertilized the soil.
O my God, scatter them like tumbleweed,
like chaff before the wind!
As fire burns a forest
and as a flame sets mountains ablaze,
chase them with your fierce storm;
terrify them with your tempest.
Utterly disgrace them...Let them die in disgrace.
drednicolson | June 5, 2020 at 3:04 am
The lie persists because these lotus-eaters demand to be lied to.
A supreme irony they should think themselves "woke".
Tiki in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm
Comment of the day. Thank you.
CKYoung | June 5, 2020 at 7:29 am
It looks as if Civil War II will kick off in the big, democrat cities.
democrats are going to find out what the "Thin Blue Line" really means, and
it's not the nonsense about cops lying for other cops. It means that there are
very few actual Law Enforcement Officers/Peace Officers compared to the overall
population. Because of that disparity of numbers, police are entrusted with and
wield a lot of power. Remove those powers or the police and the Thin Blue Line
disappears. Cliche time: On one side of the line are the sheep. On the other,
the wolves. The Thin Blue Line are the Sheepdogs. When the Sheepdogs disappear,
the wolves are going to feast on the flock until they're gone too. Our laws are
only good if everyone understands and accepts laws are only viable if they are
accompanied by the promise of force (up to and including deadly force) in their
enforcement. But democrats are like toddlers. They always want their way, they
hate accountability, and throw tantrums when told "No." I say let's do this
democrat experiment with the caveat no one has to enter a city to provide goods
and/or services, but no one can leave to obtain them either. You're on your own
in your wonderful urban utopia. Of course this caveat is a pipe dream, but I
think we're going to get at least a little glimpse of this experiment played
out soon.
amwick | June 5, 2020 at 7:32 am
What annoys me is that black lives do not matter to many black criminals.. The
numbers don't lie. Heaven forbid they should look in mirror.
n.n in reply to amwick. | June 5, 2020 at 8:47 am
Can you blame them? The progressive path to dysfunctional convergence (e.g.
witch hunts, warlock judgments, protests and riots, diversity) begins with
denying #BLM (baby lives matter) and lesser wicked solutions.
n.n | June 5, 2020 at 8:44 am
A ball of yarns that was with premeditation and careful attention spun over
decades threatening to unwind with explosive force.
MAJack | June 5, 2020 at 9:13 am
Hands up, don't loot.
nisquire | June 5, 2020 at 9:52 am
This is the most disturbing aspect of the situation. Even McDonald's has picked
it up. It posted on Facebook last night its support for BLM and listed the
names of first, Trayvon Martin, and second, Michael Brown as victims of white
racism, both personal and institutional. As a shareholder, I despise the
company's moral weakness. It provides jobs to minorities in excess probably of
most other companies and has no reason to apologize, much less adopt this
stance. Churchill said famously, "Facts are better than dreams," but the
surrealism of Dali has displaced the realism of Britain's great wartime leader
who saved the world-until now-from fascism.
n.n | June 5, 2020 at 10:08 am
Since Floyd was Wuhan virus+ (SARS-CoV-2), will they record his death as caused
by Covid19? He was also a probable spreader. How will the hunters and judges
reconcile these sociopolitical incongruities (not "=")? Drugs, viruses, and
protests.
Mac45 in reply to n.n. | June 5, 2020 at 12:43 pm
Whether his supporters like it or not, this the response that has to be
employed in this case, especially over the next few days of George Floyd
"memorial tributes".
George Floyd was not a saint. he was just a man. He made numerous mistakes
during his lifetime. He allowed his health to deteriorate until he was the
poster child for heart disease. On the day of his death, he had used fentynal,
methamphetamine, codeine and marijuana. He reportedly tried to pay for
cigarettes with a suspected counterfeit bill and then refused to return the
cigarettes when confronted by the store clerk. When the police arrested him, he
resisted efforts to place him in the police vehicle. He finally ended up on the
ground and was being restrained with a knee on his neck, holding him in place.
George Floyd was the person responsible for ending up on the ground with a knee
on his neck. The ME, after a well documented autopsy, concluded there was no
evidence that the actions of the police caused Floyd's death. There is no
physical evidence anywhere in the autopsy report which indicates that any
mechanical asphyxiation or strangulation occurred. It is much more likely that
Floyd died as a result of his heart condition in combination with the drugs in
his system as he struggled against the police. Whether the actions of Ofc.
Chauvin were optically objectionable, is irrelevant, if they did not cause
injury to Floyd or his death.
Floyd, as every man does, came to many forks in the road of his life. In some
cases, he probably took the proper fork. However, at other times, he took the
wrong fork. I find it difficult to think, for a single moment, that filling his
body with a veritable cornucopia of drugs, then, after tendering a bill which
he may or may not have known was counterfeit, to refuse to return the
cigarettes he has "purchased" with the bill and then refusing to accompany the
police into the station, was taking the proper fork in life's highway.
Floyd died because of his lifestyle choices. The evidence does not support the
conclusion that an action of Chauvin or any other officer caused his death. And
there is certainly NO evidence that any racial animosity was involved, on the
part of the police.
Paul In Sweden | June 5, 2020 at 11:16 am
OT: The book Why Meadow Died: The People and Policies That Created The Parkland
Shooter and Endanger America's Students Hardcover - September 10, 2019
by Andrew Pollack (Author), Max Eden
was very informative and an all around good read. It goes into the destructive
Obama interference into school safety and how in the case of the Parkland
school, Obama policy was directly responsible for the mass shooting.
Mac45 in reply to Paul In Sweden. | June 5, 2020 at 12:38 pm
Why Meadow Died is a wholly self-serving book and is not factually accurate.
The true reason why the Marjorie Stoneman High School shooting occurred, is
because there was nothing to stop it from happening. Pollack attempts to blame
the handling of the shooter, prior to the actual shooting, as being wholly
responsible for the incident. However, this makes the hugely erroneous
assumption that Cruz was the only person in Broward County or the South
Florida Metropolitan Area who was a potential threat. With 2 million people and
270 schools in Broward County, the odds were that this would happen sooner or
later.
One thinking to remember about school invasion mass shootings, they are only
slightly more common than airplanes crashing into schools. For that reason,
school systems and parents are simply not willing to spend the money to
effectively guard against them. In fact, after all the hoopla and increased
funding for school security in Florida, the current level of security at MSDHS
is in line with the current minimum required level of school security and is
exactly the same as that in place the day of the shooting. Nobody seems to care
about the chil'ren.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm
AndyNgo
Violent extremist antifa organizations operate openly in physical locations and
even get large followings on social media like
@Twitter
. Extremist political center,
@TheBaseBK
, regularly tweets out content encouraging comrades to injure or kill police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1268938287470673925
hrhdhd | June 5, 2020 at 1:52 pm
Stupid Twitterer: "They have about 20 officers guarding White House and secret
service are on top of the roof."
Yeah, like any other day, dimwit.
JAB | June 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm
With Black Lives Matter, we have reached a new level of affirmative action-
immunity for black criminals and druggies to resist arrest. The riots and
violence would have come to a swift halt after the first bayonet charge or live
bullet firing.
Solomon | June 5, 2020 at 7:06 pm
BLM is a criminal enterprise, founded on a bogus narrative, promoted by corrupt
politicians, shielded by an incurious media and bankrolled by a Socialist
billionaire.
Romey | June 6, 2020 at 12:27 am
Many people of stature are more than willing to promote the fallacy of Black
Lives Matter thugs. One of the more egregious examples is the municipal
graffiti in our nation's capital. "Black Lives Matter" written on a DC street
is beyond the pale, but to be expected from the Dems/Progs in charge of the
city.
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There Are Several Theories For Why Rudy Can't Stop Lying
Rudy's An Undeserved Narcissist
Narcissists are often pathological liars, because they simply don't care about
the truth.
They prefer to tell lies and gain control over people than be honest.
Sometimes, compulsive liars are highly impulsive people who struggle to take
the time to think things through and tell the truth.
Lying doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, but it could be a sign of
something more sinister.
By the age of three or four, we all start to lie. At this point in our brain's
development, we learn that we have an incredibly versatile and powerful tool at
our disposal - our language - and we can use it to actually play with reality
and affect the outcome of what's happening.
Sooner or later we learn that lying is "bad," and we shouldn't really do it.
But if Jim Carey's "Liar Liar" taught us anything, it's that this just isn't
feasible. We all have to lie sometimes.
But some people are pathological liars, meaning they can't stop spreading
misinformation about themselves and others. The psychological reasons for why
some people are this way is a bit of a mystery, but in the third edition of the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, pathological lying is a
disorder in its own right, as well as a symptom of personality disorders like
psychopathy and narcissism.
"I think it comes from a defect in the neurological wiring in terms of what
causes us to have compassion and empathy," psychiatrist Judith Orloff, author
of "The Empath's Survival Guide," told Business Insider. "Because narcissists,
sociopaths, and psychopaths have what's called empathy deficient disorder,
meaning they don't feel empathy in the way we would."
The Truth Doesn't Matter to Narcissists
When you don't care about other people, lies don't seem to matter. A lack of
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can't understand why they're lying, because they're trying to fit these people
into the ordinary standards of what it means to be empathetic."
But they don't fit. In fact, they may not even realize they are lying half the
time, because they're not conscious of it. Orloff said they actually believe
they are telling the truth a lot of the time. It's not so much about the fact
itself, she said, as it is about wanting to have power over somebody.
This is extremely dangerous for highly sensitive people, because they attract
narcissists. Then when they see someone is lying, they try and figure it out,
or blame themselves. Once the lies start, it can end with the victim being
gaslighted, which is essentially when they are told over and over again that
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no it didn't happen, just know there's something very wrong going on."
Psychologist Linda Blair, an author of many psychology books, told Business
Insider some compulsive liars are simply too impulsive to tell the truth. The
impulsive-reflective scale is ingrained in our genes, and it's very hard for
someone highly impulsive to take the time to think things through, just as it
is a challenge for a reflective person to jump into something head first.
"If you're an impulsive person, it's really hard to break the habit, because
you have this terrible feeling inside you that you have to sort things out
right now," Blair said. "So when it comes to your head, you just say it. That
doesn't mean you necessarily lie, but it's a little harder for you to stop from
lying, more than it is for someone who's more reflective."
Pathological lying and narcissism aren't synonymous, they just sometimes go
hand in hand. In other cases, compulsive liars just might not have the capacity
to stop themselves blurting things out. And Blair said they just need to learn
to control their urges and compulsions. Their lies don't necessarily come from
a bad place.
"I don't think it's something they know how to deal with," she said. "We think
probably it has something to do with actual brain function and the way some
people's brains work, which makes it much harder for them to understand the
effect it will have on other people... We think, but we just don't know yet
for sure."
Brown Case
It's a lie that gave birth to the Black Lives Matter movement, and is chanted
by protesters and politicians to this day.
Posted by William A. Jacobson Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 09:05pm
The Black Lives Matter movement was born of the Michael Brown shooting in
Ferguson, Missouri. While the BLM founders started their organizing after the
prior Trayvon Martin case, it was Brown and Ferguson which launched the BLM
movement into the public spotlight through the protests and riots in Ferguson.
Nothing was more associated with the BLM movement than the chant "hands up,
don't shoot," based on the narrative that Brown had his hands raised and said
'don't shoot' when shot. That same chant drives protesters and rioters ripping
up cities after the George Floyd killing.
I know the history of BLM and how it shot to national fame after the Brown
shooting. I followed it closely and wrote about it at the time in 2014. I
documented the violent instigators, many of them cross-over anti-Israel
activists. See my October 25, 2014 post, Intifada Missouri - Anti-Israel
activists may push Ferguson over the edge.
More than anything, BLM seized on the claim that Brown had his hands raised in
surrender, saying "don't shoot," at the time he was shot by officer Darren
Wilson. "Hands up, don't shoot" became the signature slogan of BLM.
But it was all a lie. Brown wasn't surrendering and didn't say don't shoot. And
he wasn't a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the "Gentle Giant" he was
portrayed as in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his
police car, tried to grab Wilson's service pistol, and was shot when he charged
Wilson a second time.
On March 5, 2015, Andrew Branca wrote here, Even DOJ Admits: "Hands Up, Don't
Shoot" An Utter Lie:
The DOJ report (embedded in our earlier post Darren Wilson Cleared by DOJ of
Civil Rights Violations) particularly noted the lack of credible evidence for
the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" meme (page 8):
Although there are several individuals who have stated that Brown held his
hands up in an unambiguous sign of surrender prior to Wilson shooting him dead,
their accounts do not support a prosecution of Wilson. As detailed throughout
this report, some of those accounts are inaccurate because they are
inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence; some of those accounts
are materially inconsistent with that witness's own prior statements with no
explanation, credible for otherwise, as to why those accounts changed over
time. Certain other witnesses who originally stated Brown had his hands up in
surrender recanted their original accounts, admitting that they did not witness
the shooting or parts of it, despite what they initially reported either to
federal or local law enforcement or to the media. Prosecutors did not rely on
those accounts when making a prosecutive decision.
While credible witnesses gave varying accounts of exactly what Brown was doing
with his hands as he moved toward Wilson - i.e., balling them, holding them
out, or pulling up his pants up - and varying accounts of how he was moving -
i.e., "charging," moving in "slow motion," or "running" - they all establish
that Brown was moving toward Wilson when Wilson shot him. Although some
witnesses state that Brown held his hands up at shoulder level with his palms
facing outward for a brief moment, these same witnesses describe Brown then
dropping his hands and "charging" at Wilson.
I summarized how the "Hands up, don't shoot" lie gave life to BLM in a later
post, Two years ago Michael Brown died, and a movement based on lies was born:
The Black Lives Matter movement, which was conceived in the Trayvon Martin
case, was born in the Brown shooting. Hands Up, Don't Shoot would be it's
rallying cry. That seminal factual allegation turned out to be a lie, but it
gave birth to a movement which now dominated much of the media attention....
There would be more protests, including the tactic of blocking roads and
highways and disrupting shopping malls. Members of Congress got into the hands
up, don't shoot narrative despite the evidence:
.... The legacy of the Michael Brown case, and Trayvom Martin case before it,
is that lie upon lie built a false narrative that changed the political
landscape even after the truth came out through the judicial process. But that
truth mattered not to the activists involved, who believe in convenient myths.
And so it continues. "Hands up, don't shoot" is chanted by protesters and the
politicians who join them, including Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer:
It's all a lie. A lie that gave birth to a movement destroying our cities while
demanding defunding of the police.
Concern for black lives, and all lives, is important. But that is not the
agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement, they seek to tear down our society
to achieve their marxist goals, and it takes a huge deception to get people to
go along.
51 Comments Black Lives Matter, Ferguson, George Floyd, Gretchen Whitmer,
Michael Brown
Comments
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 4, 2020 at 9:28 pm
PANTS UP
DON'T POOT.
Ridicule drives Leftists over the Wall.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 4, 2020 at 9:35 pm
Antifa Jeremiah Ellison,
Antifa Minnesota AG Keith Ellison's Son:
'We Are Going To Dismantle The Minneapolis Police Department'
Weazil Zippers
TheFineReport.com in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 4, 2020
at 10:57 pm
The Los Angeles police department has just been dismantled.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020
at 1:01 pm
Tucker: Kneeling will never be enough for the mob
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 2:55 pm
75 PERCENT of the slave owners in New Orleans in 1861 were black.
The slave owner in America was black.
Focal Point
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm
The 1st slave owner....
n.n in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 4, 2020 at 10:13 pm
Pants On The Ground... Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground.
Classic.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 12:23 am
35 Obama "hands up" Coup gang members subpoenaed....
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at 12:37 pm
Hmmmm....
Why can I totally believe this.......
shelaneb
The truth is getting exposed DemRat DC mayor coordinated out of town
#AntifaTerrorists to loot and burn down their cities. People are waking up to
their corruption.
#WalkAwayFromDemocratsForever
oldgoat36 | June 4, 2020 at 9:31 pm
BLM has ties to the Nation of Islam as well. Notice that they joined forces in
escalating violence in these riots with Antifa.
They don't care if anything they push is a lie. They claim they want justice
for George Floyd, yet they say also that the only thing which would satisfy
them is his conviction.
Imagine that. A country founded on laws with a group that wants no law
enforcement other than their own kangaroo courts and vigilante justice, where
they get to play judge, jury and executioner fit to their own vision which has
nothing to do with the law.
There seems to be a strong case against Chauvin, but this terrorist
organization is looking for a lynching crew to take him from his cell and hang
him. They don't want justice. They want revenge and a furthering of their
political goals.
Obama has strong ties with BLM. He helped organize and give them impetus. Obama
was the one to insert himself into every incident which involved a black being
shot and played jury and judge with these cases before any real facts where
known. He was fanning the flames of racial unrest and insurrection.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | June 4, 2020 at 9:38
pm
Lies....just like their parents....Adolph and Satan....
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | June 4, 2020 at
11:35 pm
Leftists heal thyself first.
Take the 10 foot oak beam out of your eye first
then later we can worry about the loose eye lash on
Anerica's cheek.
COsweda
Black Africans still have slaves.
So the global condemnation of American racism makes me laugh.
Think about how stupid it is for people in foreign countries to march.
AND.
The ones marching should look in the mirror.
Barry Soetoro in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 5, 2020 at
12:26 am
Not only does slavery still exist in sub-Saharan Africa, it was invented in
sub-Saharan Africa.
Europeans did not introduce slavery to the New World, our continent's original
sin was being practiced in a horrendously brutal form by the native
Amerindians.The
Thirteen do fifty.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Barry Soetoro. | June 5, 2020 at
1:07 am
Paul Joseph Watson has some good words to say about Leftist narrow, selective
outrage.
NSFW
drednicolson in reply to Barry Soetoro. | June 5, 2020 at 2:41 am
The transatlantic slave trade would never have grown to more than a niche
enterprise, without the willing participation of the native Africans. Tribes on
the coast would raid those farther inland to take captives and trade them to
the European slavers for rum and guns.
markm in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 8:02 am
Don't forget the Arab slave traders - they (and their part-African descendants,
probably including Obama's Nigerian ancestors) always carried on the bulk of
the slave trade. They were kidnapping and buying slaves across the Sahara
Desert long before European ships reached west Africa. Arab pirates also raided
European coasts for slaves, and took slaves from the ships they captured.
During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, they brought slaves to markets on the
African coast, but they still carried many slaves north for each one sold to
whites.
Milhouse in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 9:30 am
The transatlantic slave trade would never have grown to more than a niche
enterprise, without the willing participation of the native Africans.
What "niche enterprise"? It couldn't have existed in the first place without
that. As far as I know there is no evidence that any European ever enslaved a
single African during that period. European traders simply learned that there
were slaves for sale at the West African markets, so they went shopping. By the
standards of every society in the world at the time, it was a completely normal
thing to do, no different from people going there now to buy yams or coffee or
anything else they make there. As for how the market was supplied, they neither
knew nor cared, any more than most people care how their local supermarket gets
the goods it sells. They had no reason to.
It never occurred to anyone involved, including the slaves themselves, that
there was anything wrong with slavery. The slaves had no objection to the
institution, they just wished they were on the other end of it; if they had any
hope it was one day to become free and become rich enough to own their own
slaves. The whole idea that there was something wrong with it was invented by a
few European Christian thinkers in the 18th century, and spread from there.
Without them we still would think nothing of it.
Paul In Sweden in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 11:22 am
Yes, It should also be noted that at the time of the civil war there were a
number of Free Black former slaves that held a significant number of Black
Slaves.
alaskabob | June 4, 2020 at 9:32 pm
Suggestion to Minneapolis Police: A planned "sick-out" of the entire force is
needed. A mandatory three weeks. Worried about losing your job... it is going
away anyway. Dox addresses of mayor and admin.
As for the city council... watch The Purge.
George Floyd is the new "Lady Diana" in death.
Dantzig93101 | June 4, 2020 at 10:10 pm
When Benjamin Crump and Al Sharpton show up, you know there's something phony
going on.
If Trayvon Martin had succeeded in murdering George Zimmerman, and if Michael
Brown had succeeded in murdering Darrin Wilson, we never would have heard a
word about either death. The MSM stick to the plan: "Narrative über alles."
buck61 | June 4, 2020 at 10:13 pm
One goal that is not mentioned as well, make the job of being a police officer
so undesirable that no one will want to enter the profession. They want every
move you make recorded, question every decision, assume that it is the officers
fault every time something bad happens. The training and protocols vary by
department.
Then add in a society is is devolving, a government that only cares about
staying in power by placating the public by not telling the real truth and a
media that is rarely supportive as well.
The hiring standards have already been lowered in many areas then add in a
union that protects its members at all costs.
One of the attractive benefits to being an officer was a very good pension
plan. Now due to gross mis-management of the retirement funds may mean much
smaller future pensions if any pensions at all.
Andy | June 4, 2020 at 10:31 pm
check out Ann Coulter's columns this week. In two paragraphs she lays out more
facts about George Floyd than all MSM outlets combined. These are facts that
matter.
topcat69 in reply to Andy. | June 4, 2020 at 10:49 pm
According to the media, police only kill the finest and most upstanding members
of the black community.
TheFineReport.com in reply to Andy. | June 4, 2020 at 11:05 pm
It's just too bad she destroyed her credibilty by trying to get attention.
She is an island now.
Oversoul Of Dusk in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020 at 7:00 am
Hmm. Someone around here spends a lot of time trying to get attention.
Tiki | June 4, 2020 at 10:49 pm
We're discussing the etymology of a political slogan while leftists burn our
cities and antifa pile cobblestones.
What else can we do? I've no desire to prove my mettle nor gain glory in
battle. Yet I bend the knee for no man. My pride will not allow it. So, there's
that.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Tiki. | June 4, 2020 at 11:38 pm
This will cheer you up
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TheFineReport.com in reply to Tiki. | June 4, 2020 at 11:53 pm
Tiki,
It's classic conundrum (that is, having no desire to prove one's mettle nor
gain glory in battle; yet not bending the knee for any man).
If you don't prove your mettle, you'll be bending your knee. Both of them.
Our comfort zones are through, just as the comfort zones of Americans after
Pearl Harbor: the entire nation went on wartime footing: fuel rationing,
shortage of luxury goods, etc.
We are at war. Obama is our new Tojo.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020
at 2:40 am
Is ex general Mattis in the hands up gang?
Dodd letter to Egg Sucking Dog Mattis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268675068814659584
ronk | June 5, 2020 at 12:02 am
there is more to it than hands up, the key word is STOP. do not approach
TheFineReport.com | June 5, 2020 at 12:07 am
Speaking of fabrications:
Christopher Wray is still the head of the FBI.
What dark comedy.
Barry Soetoro in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020 at 12:50 am
I don't think Trump can replace Wray until after the election. There are too
many subversive RINO members of the GOPe and NeverTrumpers who will try to
crucify him after this remedial action, and Trump needs party unity on Election
Day (election month in Democrat precincts).
The Friendly Grizzly in reply to TheFineReport.com. | June 5, 2020 at 10:32 am
There is still and FBI. Even more comedy.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 5, 2020 at 1:10 am
Maybe it is time to pray this prayer.
Psalm 83
Do to them as you did to the Midianites
and as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the Kishon River.
They were destroyed at Endor,
and their decaying corpses fertilized the soil.
O my God, scatter them like tumbleweed,
like chaff before the wind!
As fire burns a forest
and as a flame sets mountains ablaze,
chase them with your fierce storm;
terrify them with your tempest.
Utterly disgrace them...Let them die in disgrace.
drednicolson | June 5, 2020 at 3:04 am
The lie persists because these lotus-eaters demand to be lied to.
A supreme irony they should think themselves "woke".
Tiki in reply to drednicolson. | June 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm
Comment of the day. Thank you.
CKYoung | June 5, 2020 at 7:29 am
It looks as if Civil War II will kick off in the big, democrat cities.
democrats are going to find out what the "Thin Blue Line" really means, and
it's not the nonsense about cops lying for other cops. It means that there are
very few actual Law Enforcement Officers/Peace Officers compared to the overall
population. Because of that disparity of numbers, police are entrusted with and
wield a lot of power. Remove those powers or the police and the Thin Blue Line
disappears. Cliche time: On one side of the line are the sheep. On the other,
the wolves. The Thin Blue Line are the Sheepdogs. When the Sheepdogs disappear,
the wolves are going to feast on the flock until they're gone too. Our laws are
only good if everyone understands and accepts laws are only viable if they are
accompanied by the promise of force (up to and including deadly force) in their
enforcement. But democrats are like toddlers. They always want their way, they
hate accountability, and throw tantrums when told "No." I say let's do this
democrat experiment with the caveat no one has to enter a city to provide goods
and/or services, but no one can leave to obtain them either. You're on your own
in your wonderful urban utopia. Of course this caveat is a pipe dream, but I
think we're going to get at least a little glimpse of this experiment played
out soon.
amwick | June 5, 2020 at 7:32 am
What annoys me is that black lives do not matter to many black criminals.. The
numbers don't lie. Heaven forbid they should look in mirror.
n.n in reply to amwick. | June 5, 2020 at 8:47 am
Can you blame them? The progressive path to dysfunctional convergence (e.g.
witch hunts, warlock judgments, protests and riots, diversity) begins with
denying #BLM (baby lives matter) and lesser wicked solutions.
n.n | June 5, 2020 at 8:44 am
A ball of yarns that was with premeditation and careful attention spun over
decades threatening to unwind with explosive force.
MAJack | June 5, 2020 at 9:13 am
Hands up, don't loot.
nisquire | June 5, 2020 at 9:52 am
This is the most disturbing aspect of the situation. Even McDonald's has picked
it up. It posted on Facebook last night its support for BLM and listed the
names of first, Trayvon Martin, and second, Michael Brown as victims of white
racism, both personal and institutional. As a shareholder, I despise the
company's moral weakness. It provides jobs to minorities in excess probably of
most other companies and has no reason to apologize, much less adopt this
stance. Churchill said famously, "Facts are better than dreams," but the
surrealism of Dali has displaced the realism of Britain's great wartime leader
who saved the world-until now-from fascism.
n.n | June 5, 2020 at 10:08 am
Since Floyd was Wuhan virus+ (SARS-CoV-2), will they record his death as caused
by Covid19? He was also a probable spreader. How will the hunters and judges
reconcile these sociopolitical incongruities (not "=")? Drugs, viruses, and
protests.
Mac45 in reply to n.n. | June 5, 2020 at 12:43 pm
Whether his supporters like it or not, this the response that has to be
employed in this case, especially over the next few days of George Floyd
"memorial tributes".
George Floyd was not a saint. he was just a man. He made numerous mistakes
during his lifetime. He allowed his health to deteriorate until he was the
poster child for heart disease. On the day of his death, he had used fentynal,
methamphetamine, codeine and marijuana. He reportedly tried to pay for
cigarettes with a suspected counterfeit bill and then refused to return the
cigarettes when confronted by the store clerk. When the police arrested him, he
resisted efforts to place him in the police vehicle. He finally ended up on the
ground and was being restrained with a knee on his neck, holding him in place.
George Floyd was the person responsible for ending up on the ground with a knee
on his neck. The ME, after a well documented autopsy, concluded there was no
evidence that the actions of the police caused Floyd's death. There is no
physical evidence anywhere in the autopsy report which indicates that any
mechanical asphyxiation or strangulation occurred. It is much more likely that
Floyd died as a result of his heart condition in combination with the drugs in
his system as he struggled against the police. Whether the actions of Ofc.
Chauvin were optically objectionable, is irrelevant, if they did not cause
injury to Floyd or his death.
Floyd, as every man does, came to many forks in the road of his life. In some
cases, he probably took the proper fork. However, at other times, he took the
wrong fork. I find it difficult to think, for a single moment, that filling his
body with a veritable cornucopia of drugs, then, after tendering a bill which
he may or may not have known was counterfeit, to refuse to return the
cigarettes he has "purchased" with the bill and then refusing to accompany the
police into the station, was taking the proper fork in life's highway.
Floyd died because of his lifestyle choices. The evidence does not support the
conclusion that an action of Chauvin or any other officer caused his death. And
there is certainly NO evidence that any racial animosity was involved, on the
part of the police.
Paul In Sweden | June 5, 2020 at 11:16 am
OT: The book Why Meadow Died: The People and Policies That Created The Parkland
Shooter and Endanger America's Students Hardcover - September 10, 2019
by Andrew Pollack (Author), Max Eden
was very informative and an all around good read. It goes into the destructive
Obama interference into school safety and how in the case of the Parkland
school, Obama policy was directly responsible for the mass shooting.
Mac45 in reply to Paul In Sweden. | June 5, 2020 at 12:38 pm
Why Meadow Died is a wholly self-serving book and is not factually accurate.
The true reason why the Marjorie Stoneman High School shooting occurred, is
because there was nothing to stop it from happening. Pollack attempts to blame
the handling of the shooter, prior to the actual shooting, as being wholly
responsible for the incident. However, this makes the hugely erroneous
assumption that Cruz was the only person in Broward County or the South
Florida Metropolitan Area who was a potential threat. With 2 million people and
270 schools in Broward County, the odds were that this would happen sooner or
later.
One thinking to remember about school invasion mass shootings, they are only
slightly more common than airplanes crashing into schools. For that reason,
school systems and parents are simply not willing to spend the money to
effectively guard against them. In fact, after all the hoopla and increased
funding for school security in Florida, the current level of security at MSDHS
is in line with the current minimum required level of school security and is
exactly the same as that in place the day of the shooting. Nobody seems to care
about the chil'ren.
notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm
AndyNgo
Violent extremist antifa organizations operate openly in physical locations and
even get large followings on social media like
. Extremist political center,
@TheBaseBK
, regularly tweets out content encouraging comrades to injure or kill police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1268938287470673925
hrhdhd | June 5, 2020 at 1:52 pm
Stupid Twitterer: "They have about 20 officers guarding White House and secret
service are on top of the roof."
Yeah, like any other day, dimwit.
JAB | June 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm
With Black Lives Matter, we have reached a new level of affirmative action-
immunity for black criminals and druggies to resist arrest. The riots and
violence would have come to a swift halt after the first bayonet charge or live
bullet firing.
Solomon | June 5, 2020 at 7:06 pm
BLM is a criminal enterprise, founded on a bogus narrative, promoted by corrupt
politicians, shielded by an incurious media and bankrolled by a Socialist
billionaire.
Romey | June 6, 2020 at 12:27 am
Many people of stature are more than willing to promote the fallacy of Black
Lives Matter thugs. One of the more egregious examples is the municipal
graffiti in our nation's capital. "Black Lives Matter" written on a DC street
is beyond the pale, but to be expected from the Dems/Progs in charge of the
city.
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There Are Several Theories For Why Rudy Can't Stop Lying
Rudy's An Undeserved Narcissist
Narcissists are often pathological liars, because they simply don't care about
the truth.
They prefer to tell lies and gain control over people than be honest.
Sometimes, compulsive liars are highly impulsive people who struggle to take
the time to think things through and tell the truth.
Lying doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, but it could be a sign of
something more sinister.
By the age of three or four, we all start to lie. At this point in our brain's
development, we learn that we have an incredibly versatile and powerful tool at
our disposal - our language - and we can use it to actually play with reality
and affect the outcome of what's happening.
Sooner or later we learn that lying is "bad," and we shouldn't really do it.
But if Jim Carey's "Liar Liar" taught us anything, it's that this just isn't
feasible. We all have to lie sometimes.
But some people are pathological liars, meaning they can't stop spreading
misinformation about themselves and others. The psychological reasons for why
some people are this way is a bit of a mystery, but in the third edition of the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, pathological lying is a
disorder in its own right, as well as a symptom of personality disorders like
psychopathy and narcissism.
"I think it comes from a defect in the neurological wiring in terms of what
causes us to have compassion and empathy," psychiatrist Judith Orloff, author
of "The Empath's Survival Guide," told Business Insider. "Because narcissists,
sociopaths, and psychopaths have what's called empathy deficient disorder,
meaning they don't feel empathy in the way we would."
The Truth Doesn't Matter to Narcissists
When you don't care about other people, lies don't seem to matter. A lack of
empathy essentially means a lack of conscience, which is a hard concept to
grasp for a lot of people.
"When they lie it doesn't hurt them in the same way it would hurt us," Orloff
said. "So many people get into relationships with pathological liars, or just
can't understand why they're lying, because they're trying to fit these people
into the ordinary standards of what it means to be empathetic."
But they don't fit. In fact, they may not even realize they are lying half the
time, because they're not conscious of it. Orloff said they actually believe
they are telling the truth a lot of the time. It's not so much about the fact
itself, she said, as it is about wanting to have power over somebody.
This is extremely dangerous for highly sensitive people, because they attract
narcissists. Then when they see someone is lying, they try and figure it out,
or blame themselves. Once the lies start, it can end with the victim being
gaslighted, which is essentially when they are told over and over again that
their version of reality is incorrect, and they begin to believe the warped
truth of the abuser.
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another, and trust each other, and be authentic - and with pathological liars
you can't trust them," Orloff said. "You can't base your life around them. It's
like a moral deficit, and there's no accountability. Someone who is a
pathological liar will not say I'm sorry for doing it. They will say it's your
fault."
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is a lie. And if you bring it up to the person and they say it's your fault, or
no it didn't happen, just know there's something very wrong going on."
Psychologist Linda Blair, an author of many psychology books, told Business
Insider some compulsive liars are simply too impulsive to tell the truth. The
impulsive-reflective scale is ingrained in our genes, and it's very hard for
someone highly impulsive to take the time to think things through, just as it
is a challenge for a reflective person to jump into something head first.
"If you're an impulsive person, it's really hard to break the habit, because
you have this terrible feeling inside you that you have to sort things out
right now," Blair said. "So when it comes to your head, you just say it. That
doesn't mean you necessarily lie, but it's a little harder for you to stop from
lying, more than it is for someone who's more reflective."
Pathological lying and narcissism aren't synonymous, they just sometimes go
hand in hand. In other cases, compulsive liars just might not have the capacity
to stop themselves blurting things out. And Blair said they just need to learn
to control their urges and compulsions. Their lies don't necessarily come from
a bad place.
"I don't think it's something they know how to deal with," she said. "We think
probably it has something to do with actual brain function and the way some
people's brains work, which makes it much harder for them to understand the
effect it will have on other people... We think, but we just don't know yet
for sure."